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older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« on: September 26, 2011, 05:19:57 PM »

I have this older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer. I received it recently from a kind neighbor.
I used it successfully for 3 years (I think it is a 1970 something model, maybe early 80's). Recently noticed soft ice cream. This led me to put a freezer thermometer in there. It sounds like the compressor runs all the time and the thermometer reads between 6 and 12 degrees F. I did a little research and found some info on switching off the outer condensation feature. I can't find anything like that. I can't even find the evap coils underneath or behind the unit (I usually clean them on my fridge since I have a long hair cat). There is a lot of condensation on the outside of the unit. It is stored outside in a lean-to shed structure. I live in central NC where we get hot with high humidity. I think it is about 16 cubic feet size. That's about all the details I can think of.
I'd like to be able to get the temps back down to 0 degrees for long term venison storage. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2011, 05:59:08 PM »
Whats the gasket look like? Any frost buildup or condensation? I recently chraged up a freezer with great results:

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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2011, 07:36:15 AM »
Hi- thanks for responding! I don't know much at all about appliances. I can see behind the machine, at the bottom, the compressor. i don't know where the gasket is. or where to look for frost buildup. There is no frost buildup inside the unit. i checked the temp again this morning it was about 7 degrees F.


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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2011, 09:39:29 AM »
7 degrees is pretty good for that age freezer wouldn't think?Get a big container and fill it with water this will help hold the temp.
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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2011, 12:06:40 PM »
7 degrees may be pretty good for a freezer that age but...i'm having freezer burn on my venison. I've had to throw out 30 # of good meat. after doing some research, i learned that frost free freezers are not the best for long term meat storage. It really needs to be at zero degrees for meat. i think i'm going to throw in the towel and buy a new freezer if i can't get someone local to charge the compressor for me for CHEAP!

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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2011, 12:56:07 PM »
i wonder if there is a way to bypass the defrost timer? i'm OKAY with not having the frost-free feature. i just want it to freeze to zero degrees F.

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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2011, 07:46:04 PM »
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i don't know where the gasket is

The door gasket? It's on the door. :)

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i wonder if there is a way to bypass the defrost timer? i'm OKAY with not having the frost-free feature.

That's not how it works. If you bypass the defrost timer the evap cooling coils will frost up on you and the freezer will run warmer yet.

The non self defrost frost free freezers have the evap cooling coils built into the walls so they are not exposed to the air so they don't frost up like your frost free model.
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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2011, 07:46:54 PM »
having troubles with posting pics. hopefully this will help









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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2011, 08:24:56 PM »
I fixed your images.

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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2011, 09:56:37 PM »
You ain't gonna get much betta than you have now BUTT and that a big Butt, you can buy another themostat to get to the range you want by requesting a specified temp.They come in all types from ambient to full contact karate models in any specific temp yall want to achieve.

In yore photo yall seem to show a nice Buck and imply the Buck was harvested with a Bow. Why do yall have a square happy face coverin your photo? I would be proud to make that kill as long as I knew I had made plans to skin that deer and preserve the meat for my family members. Are ye a child?
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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2011, 07:46:33 AM »
AJ thanks for fixing my images.
JW, The freezer used to freeze to zero so my aim is restore it back to that point.
I'm learning a lot here and I have it narrowed down to replacing a few simple parts. I just need help identifying where the defrost timer is IF there is one (I read that it could possibly be a circuit board instead of a timer). I plan to test the defrost thermostat tonite. I know the defrost heater is working just fine because it shocked the sh!t out of me last night. Yehaw
If I plug in the unit and the fan is working then can I eliminate the idea that the fan motor is bad?

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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2011, 07:47:22 AM »
by the way it's not as old as I first thought, it just LOOKS old. It was made in 1991

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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2011, 07:55:51 AM »
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I just need help identifying where the defrost timer is


The defrost timer is to the left of the compressor in your photo.
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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2011, 08:09:03 AM »
Thanks AJ!
..is it possible that all these parts are working correctly and it just needs charged with more refrigerant?

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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2011, 08:42:48 AM »
Thanks AJ!
..is it possible that all these parts are working correctly and it just needs charged with more refrigerant?

Yes it's possible.

If the defrost system was not working the coils on the back wall inside the freezer that you took a photo of would get covered in a heavy frost and the frost would building up so thick that it would block the air flow from the fan.

Normally the coils should have a light even coating of frost on them and before the frost gets a chance to build up to thick the defrost timer would kick in the defrost heater and melt the frost off. Then the timer would cycle off the defrost heater and cycle the compressor back on so it could start cooling again. A lot of units with a mechanical timer defrost every 8-10 hours.

If you don't have a even frost pattern on the coils that is a sign of it being low on refrigerant, week compressor or a restriction in the sealed system lines.

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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2011, 09:00:05 AM »
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If you don't have a even frost pattern on the coils that is a sign of it being low on refrigerant, week compressor or a restriction in the sealed system lines.

OK - I guess I should plug it back in and then check the frost pattern on the evap coils.

Am I asking too much for a frost-free unit like this to keep an internal temp of zero degrees?

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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2011, 09:15:56 AM »
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OK - I guess I should plug it back in and then check the frost pattern on the evap coils.


Plug it in and let it run for a day or over night. Then post a photo of the evap coils.


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Am I asking too much for a frost-free unit like this to keep an internal temp of zero degrees?

I think 0-5 Deg. F. it normal temp range for a freezer.

I never cared for self defrost freezers for long time storage of food.
If you are in and out of the freezer a lot like your refrigerator then a self defrost freezer maybe ok.

The frost that builds up on the coils comes from the moister that is in the air.

If you end up getting a replacement freezer I would stick with a non self defrost one for long term storage.
A chest freezer should have no problem storing food at 0 Deg. F or even a bit colder.


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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2011, 09:07:50 AM »
Well I finally got a chance to spend some time with the freezer. After plugging it in for a few hours, this is what I observed:
 
 The fan works. It runs all the time EXCEPT during the defrost cycle. It runs even when the door is open.
 
 The defrost heater works. Went out to check on the freezer last night and didn't hear anything running, no compressor, no fan. I thought it was finally completely dead. I opened the door and it happened to be during a defrost cycle. The heater was hot and water was dripping off the evap coils.
 
 The interior light works and shuts off when the door closes, as it should. The door gasket appears to be in good shape.
 
 So, the timer, the heater, the fan...all work. I'm not sure what that leaves me? The thermostat or the compressor needs charged with new refrigerant?
 
 There wasn't much frost on the evap coils but I took pics anyways. Here:

















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Re: older White-Westinghouse upright frost-free freezer
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2011, 09:37:39 AM »
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The thermostat or the compressor needs charged with new refrigerant?
Replacing the thermostat is not going to do you any good.

Does not look like a even frost pattern to me.
From the photo it looks like there is frost at the top of the coils and no frost at the bottom of the coils.

Either the compressor is getting week or it's low on refrigerant. To know what's really going on with it at this point you would need to tap the system and put a set of gauges on it so you could see what you have for high and low side pressures. This is often not a practical repair for the average DIY'er.

At best even if it was just low on refrigerant and you some how managed to add some you still have a leak in the system someplace.
Chances are a very small leak. It may take forever for the new refrigerant you added to leak out, but the leak is not going to repair it self so it is going to leak out again sooner or later.