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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2011, 06:32:01 PM »

Wow, Old Stove Guy.  It's very cool but have to do some research and not sure exactly what I'm going to do.  The customer had a repair man out 3 months ago...spent an hour and a half and was never seen again.  he dismantled and disconected various lines but nothing major that I can see.  As far as she know's it's an A series.  Everying is there to make the oven a stand alone pilot with thermal-couple using a T into the manifold.  This leaves (as far as I see) a standing pilot with no thermo-couple in the middle for the three burners.  The pilot for the thermowell has been  by the manifold...thank the Lord she didn't try to use this thing.  All controls need to be cleaned and repacked with grease (no biggy).  My hope is to try and make this thing standing pilot with thermal-couple's for the oven, burner's, and thermal-well.  The broiler/griddle is no problem for match light.  Is there a way to do this?  Am I looking at 3 seperate safety valves?  Am I completely wrong?  Just hoping to get your mind turning a bit...I have pictures of everything just had enough for the day and will post tomorrow.   :D
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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2011, 06:36:18 PM »
just re-read....pilot for thermal-well has been cut at the manifold...boy I'm a little tired sorry.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2011, 06:51:10 PM »
There are no safety valves for the top pilots or for the well (just like a new freestanding gas range made today,If pilot blows out gas still flows to the pilot.), It sounds like they may have tried to use the pilot line from the well to get constant gas for the pilot in the oven.??? Let me know.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2011, 07:03:46 PM »
Will do.  Just a long day and not thinking straight.  I took a ton of pictures and it's time to figure out how to post them with the new Android App..I have some thought's on what to do hopefully they will still be with me in the morning :P

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2011, 07:09:54 PM »
Pictures will help then I should be able to give specific ideas.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2011, 10:30:49 AM »
Model A
You can see where someone cut the pilot line to thermal-well.  The wet mark is rust buster I put on in case I end up having to take it out.
The Pilot line for the burners is the larger line still connected.
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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2011, 06:48:34 PM »
Pilot to the well tubing can be replace with 1/8 tubing as long as you have a flaring kit. If the pilot in the well is missing it is the same as the pilot in the oven. As is the pilot valve off the oven valve. You can cap it if installing a safety. Why are all of the surface valves disconnected? I have an extra well pilot if all is gone.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2011, 08:49:24 AM »
The service guy who was out before me disconected all of them I'm assuming he was going to take out the controls and grease them because they don't move.  So far I have struck out trying to install a safety for the burners no one makes them.  It just makes me a little nervous with that large of a gas line without a safety.  The customer really doesn't want it like that either and am wondering if I cap off the standing pilot could I make it a match light for each burner like the griddle/broiler.  Good to know about the well pilot I put a picture up of the current one and am doubtful if it is salvageable  if not how much do you want for the pilot you have?
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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2011, 11:25:52 AM »
The small white piece in the 2nd picture is the pilot I think ( hard to see) It should be a 1/8 or 3/16 compression fitting and has constant gas flow from the bent tubing on the manifold. New stoves with a pilot don't have safety valves for each burner just the oven. You don't have to remove the surface valves to rebuild them. They have a round "nut "on the end which unscrews, then slide the valve cylinder out . New valve grease, and done. In the 3rd picture you can see they turned the valves a quarter turn (nuts on top)to be able to unscrew the nuts. When done you turn it back. Insert the rods so when they push down the button and pull out the knob it will turn.  I use REPCO valve grease. They also are the company who rebuilds the thermostats and safety valves for the older stoves as well as other items. Repco Replacement Parts in Everman Texas.1-800-433-7146 or on line. http://www.erepco.com/ They also sell rebuilt safety valves with a better than new warranty. DO NOT USE stop cock grease, it will wear out in 6 months. Well that's a lot to absorb, let me know.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2011, 07:33:06 AM »
All good to know, I didn't think the valves needed to come completely out for re-packing the guy who was out before me had one out and dissasembled as well as other pieces from the stove then just never came back...unfortanate...give's us repair tech.'s a bad name.  I'm hoping the oven pilot comes out without to many problems so I can use it for the well because the well pilot I believe is shot.  If not I will look at ordering one I know I will need one handle and will not know about the oven control until I have it up and running.
 
What is your opinion on capping the larger pilot for the three burners and making them individual match light?  I know the customer would be happier with that set up.
 
I think I have a fairly good handle on what to do with everything else just need to get over there and get on it...at least until the next time I come across something... :D
 
All in all your right it is all pretty straight forward just need to put some time into it.
 
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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2011, 08:25:28 AM »
http://www.antiquestoves.com/toac/index.htm Has handles and books if needed. As for capping the pilot on top you could do the same for the well,or just shut off at the valve. Use the extra valve for the constant gas to the oven for the safety. When she wants to use the well, she can light through the storage area if needed. I am pretty sure I have a pilot for the well if needed, let me know I will look. Also I have information about the adjustments on the oven and secondary or "throttle " flame in the oven.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2011, 09:01:11 AM »
I did contact antiquestoves.com so figured they would be a good source for handles.  Hopefully the oven pilot will still be of use for the well I'll just have to see when get it out.  Any info on adjustment's would be great.  I saw adjustable shutters on burner so am guessing that would be where I adjust but any specifics or process would sure help.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2011, 06:14:12 PM »
Keep in touch when you are ready,Get more pictures if needed. As you can see my area is not loaded with info. never got around to setting it up.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2011, 04:09:57 PM »
Just an update.  I have been sidetracked with a health problem in the family.  I got the old pilot out of the oven and istalled the new one and am going to build a bracket hopefully under the base of the storage compartment (if room and can make it neat) so there's still room for storage.  am going to cap off the pilot on manifold to thermowell and drill an access where old standing pilot is for long lighter in it's place (light from underneath in storage area).  all three burners will be match light as well as griddle/broiler.  I will be repacking the individual valves so they are usuable again and adjust air for the oven pilot.  I have a "T" for the new valve and will shut off and cap the option for burner's standing pilot.  Hope to be back there tomorrow to keep going.  The oven has a 3/4" regulator on it do you know if it calls for that much gas?  I have 1/2" coming from floor(main) and can easily step it up just seems like alot for an oven.  I usually only run into 3/4 for on demand water heaters.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2011, 08:25:56 PM »
They NEVER had a regulator when new. I have never installed one as they work very well without. Old saying "if it ain't broken don't fix it. I have had 2 customers who installed regulators and they said never worked right since. Had 4 other customers said no problems at all with the regulator installed. 1/2" gas pipe inlet line will be fine.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2011, 11:59:10 AM »
Stumbling block...have not been able to find a cap or plug for the pilot's I'm taking out of service in town.  I have a few more places to try otherwise hoping Repco has them, I did see they have various size plugs.  While repacking the valves (you're right very easy) I was looking at the connections and think I may be missing some parts.  Whatever the guy did before I got on the job has been a bit of an obstacle as far as retracing his steps but it appears there should be a linkage between the rod for the handle control and the lever on the valve.  I found a bunch of cotter pins that will fit in the rod for the handle but leaving the operating lever on valve in the down position there is no way to attach.  Any idea what I'm missing besides part of my brain :P .  I put a few pics up.
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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2011, 03:23:53 PM »
The valves have been turned 1/4 turn by the looks of the picture. Turn them back (or tighter if needed) and they should line up. If you don't have enough cotter pins use small brads. On the Thermostat valve you could leave it on the thermostat. The only time it gets gas is when the oven is turned on,so an extra small flame as long as the tube is intact and near the oven burner it's fine.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2011, 03:51:00 PM »
Good to know about the valves.  Unfortunately the old pilot tubes are junk...one bent off for the termal-well; the oven one was crimped.  Not comfortable relying on the flame adjustment screw's on either to shut them off.  Do you think I should keep trying in town to find cap's or plug's or just go straight to Repco?  Not even sure of the size.  I'm tempted to tap and plug the one for thermo-well...just don't know enough about the thermostat to do the same.  this has become quite the project...still enjoy it though.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2011, 04:06:52 PM »
If you have 2 pilots get tubing and connect them together. Not right but it will work and even if the valves leak(bypass) they will feed back into the manifold. Looks like 1/8" plug and 1/4" on manifold.

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Re: Antique Chamber Gas Stove
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2011, 04:11:51 PM »
I will keep trying for a plug but will route them together if needed.
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