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Offline ron3033

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Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« on: April 22, 2022, 08:50:49 PM »

Hi
Sears Kenmore  110 2091 2991 type 111
Stopped agitation, but pumps out water though lots of grinding  noise.
I think mabye it is the coupler washer, but don't know how to be sure.  Just hoping it is not the transmission.  How do I diagnose this please.  Coupler looks pretty easy to do.
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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2022, 07:46:54 AM »
Hi

I would remove the motor and inspect the coupler.

Here is a video that will show you how.

https://youtu.be/_fHoAjOmHDU

Hope that helps.

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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2022, 08:57:29 AM »
Ha  AJ
Thanks for the reply.  This was my plan for this morning.  I assume if coupler is the issue it wiIl be obvious.  Can I check that the transmission is good by turning the agitator once motor is disconnected?  Or the cluch is good.  Just need to make sure rest of running gear is good.  Any suggestions?
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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2022, 09:15:17 AM »
To check the transmission & clutch I would remove the transmission from the washer. You can then simply inspect the pads on the clutch. You can also then manually turn the coupler on the transmission to see if it engages the transmission to spin and agitate. Of coarse you would turn it one way to see if it goes into spin and the other way to see if it starts to agitate.

With that being said if you find that the coupler is bad and the transmission and clutch is clean looking I would just replace the coupler and put it back together.


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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2022, 04:36:56 PM »
Hi AJ
I took it apart...actually easy to do.  Results.... broken leg on coupler on motor side.  Turned the transmission shaft, no binding....my wife said basket with holes turned & agitator yurned.  So I suspect all is good and new coupler ordered.

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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2022, 05:55:02 PM »
Thatís great! Thanks for the update.

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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2022, 08:13:31 AM »
Thanks for helping.  This a great place.
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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2022, 09:03:36 PM »
I replaced the coupler and the washer made a click click click noise while spinning.  then a big grind noise.

I think the transmission may be toast??   maybe that is why the coupler  broke in the first place? See my video 51 seconds long.
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https://youtube.com/shorts/2ozNSefAWdM?

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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2022, 10:18:31 AM »
Hi here is a video of the noise..new motor couple installed,   coupler turns but basket does not spin, nor does the clutch part.

I can turn clutch with my thumb and fingers with effort it moves basket.  see 7 second video

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BqYVVkEEWKE



this is previous video of click before it stopped

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2ozNSefAWdM



Trying to figure if it is transmission gone.  Do not want to buy a transmission and it still not work.




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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2022, 10:43:25 AM »
Hi

If the coupler is good but the clutch doesnít spin during the spin cycle then I would lean towards a bad transmission.

If the clutch spins but the basket doesnít turn I would remove the inner basket and take a close look at the drive block as shown in this video.

https://youtu.be/UsSt_TPgKDU


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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2022, 10:51:36 AM »
Sometimes things will turn fine by hand but at higher speeds or with a load it wonít spin. Sometimes Iíll find something got in between the basket and the out side tub that keeps it from spinning.

Before I ordered a transmission I would check that drive block just to make sure.
If the transmission is shot the clutch and drive block usually have enough wear on them to that I just go ahead and replace them both along with the transmission.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2022, 10:55:50 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wUH7v-Au6qA

Is the coupler still good in this video?  Sounds like a broken coupler.

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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2022, 11:08:16 AM »
Hi AJ

Yes it is the new coupler installed, it turns when powered up, basket does not, clutch does not...  just grinds.

I can turn the clutch with my fingers, but difficult.  I can open the lid and turn it  but difficult is this normal.

L do not have that tool spanner to take out the basket....will pipe wrench work?

thanks  ron3033

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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2022, 07:02:02 AM »
Iím not sure how well a pipe wrench would work. Iíve only ever used a spanned wrench.
The inner basket wonít really turn easily unless that drive block is completely stripped out.

I was kind of wondering if the new coupler was broken again in that last video as I couldnít tell if the sound was coming from the coupler or the transmission.

Can you tell if the noise is coming from the transmission?

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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2022, 07:05:23 AM »
Here is a trick I sometimes use to pinpoint noise.

https://youtu.be/6mpNRJ7m-c8

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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2022, 08:21:14 AM »
Here is a trick I sometimes use to pinpoint noise.

https://youtu.be/6mpNRJ7m-c8

Hi AJ
I used a stethoscope something lie a Dr. uses.  I think the the trans.  but sound sort of spreads.  But I will try what you sent and look at new coupler again.  When motor off , I can turn the coupler on trans with my finger, seems no resistance or effort needed, like nothing there to turn.
I will report back..
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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2022, 11:31:26 AM »
Here is a trick I sometimes use to pinpoint noise.

https://youtu.be/6mpNRJ7m-c8

[Hi AJ
I tried your suggestion  I think transmission.  So I took it out.  I will add photos to make my gun finds clearer.
1. I could push the brake cog in direction of my finger, brake release drum turns.
2. I could turn shaft 6 or 8 turns clockwise looking down and it jammed that no more turning
3. I can turn shaft counter clockwise looking down and it turns, sometimes like gears rubbing
4. The shaft can be wobble side to side and moved up and down about 3/16 inch
5. Motor and coupler turns they are still connected together still,  no transmission shaft movement
6. Clutch, I could not push with my finger and I took out to wipe out dust.

Does this suggest it is transmission has failed? 

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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2022, 11:35:21 AM »
Photos I messed up attach   sorry

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Re: Kenmore, no agitate but pumps out
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2022, 08:21:08 PM »
Hi AJ
I tried your suggestion  I think transmission.  So I took it out.  I will add photos to make my gun finds clearer.
1. I could push the brake cog in direction of my finger, brake release drum turns.
2. I could turn shaft 6 or 8 turns clockwise looking down and it jammed that no more turning
3. I can turn shaft counter clockwise looking down and it turns, sometimes like gears rubbing
4. The shaft can be wobble side to side and moved up and down about 3/16 inch
5. Motor and coupler turns they are still connected together still,  no transmission shaft movement
6. Clutch, I could not push with my finger and I took out to wipe out dust.