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Offline hookcapn

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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #60 on: September 25, 2013, 08:38:52 AM »

Putting together additional parts list
drive & pump belt 211124 & 211124 
tub bearing kit 6-2040130
transmission lube 6-560800
Is there a replacement for the agitator drive shaft seal AP407216

This last part would seem to be critical to the diagnosis.

Are there other parts re: the transmission to be ordered at this time.


I am approaching a 2 week hiatus 10/2 Wed

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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #61 on: September 25, 2013, 02:18:35 PM »
If your talking about the agitator seal that looks like a flat o-ring with 4 grooves in it... the newer models do not even have one.  The O-ring was used on the older models to help retain the agitator in place.  Now there is a screw in the side of the agitator that uses the seal groove as a catch point to retain the agitator in place.   The agitator when installed will move slightly up and down with screw in place.  That is normal and the o-ring is not used at all. 
 
The only thing I can think of at this time is Item 43 on this link:
 
http://www.appliancepartspros.com/10-tub-agitator-parts-for-maytag-a612.html
 
That is the aerator for the injector. As the rubber of this part gets older they seem to shrink in length or get hard causing the injector to leak on the base.   It is important to make sure it is installed correctly. You have to finesse the hose so that this part centers in the plastic housing.   You do not need to change it now... only if it drips or leaks during tub fill.
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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #62 on: September 25, 2013, 03:56:08 PM »
The agitator drive shaft seal part # A4298 or AP407216 is a rubber seal with a spring inside just under  the metal washer (15666)which is held in by a retaining ring (15667) . The part A4298 is not available at Appliance Parts Pro but is available at Part Select.

Should I order and transmission parts now.

I am on my way to remove outer tub.

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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #63 on: September 25, 2013, 07:00:20 PM »
Mounting stem is fast becoming an agitator.
Not giving up.

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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #64 on: September 25, 2013, 07:46:51 PM »
That is what we call the grease seal. It usually comes with the mounting stem kit. That is most likely why many sources do not list it separately.  This is a must have item.  If you do not have it you need to get one. Remember.... CLOCKWISE = loose on the *(left hand thread) on the mounting stem. You can usually move it both ways with the spanner and hammer to losen it.  I learned to use the side of the hammer for this task vs the head.... AND the 2 x 4 in between the outer tub supports with the tub mounting bolts in place.   
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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2013, 07:55:35 PM »
You may not need any transmission parts other than the gasket.  Worst case.... Ford Blue form a gasket will do the trick.  I would prefer to use the factory parts though.  All of the details I mentioned before were for the old A606 style machine.  It has a flat top transmission with a counter weight.  You have the new style transmission so thee only thing you need to do is ensure that it is not full of water.... clean and reservice it.  You can use engine degreaser and a hose to clean it... OUTSIDE.  However.... you must use compressed air to remove ANY water you have in the transmission.  It must be dry before you re-service it with Transmission oil. 
 
I can not emphasize enough the importance of the CORRECT drive tab placement at the botom of drive pulley when it comes time to reinstall it. 
 
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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #66 on: September 26, 2013, 10:35:57 AM »
Thanks Kelly, the mounting stem is really problematic.
Set screw out
spanner in place
hit with 2 1/2 lb sledge
Transmission blocked
Hit clockwise then counter-clockwise and repeated
My teeth are looser then the stem
Used PB blaster several times down the stem.
I am a pretty strong guy, but stem seems stronger.

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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #67 on: September 26, 2013, 10:51:40 AM »
My A612 unit has the flat top transmission with the counter -weight.

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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #68 on: September 26, 2013, 01:42:56 PM »
This is going to sound a bit odd but... try using some brake fluid instead of PB blaster to loosen up the thread grip. 
 
As much as I hate to even discuss an attempt at cutting the mounting stem off....
IF you get to that point use a chisel... start cutting from the outside to the inside Bottom to top on one side.  The base of the mounting stem has very hard smooth faced ring on it.  I would assume that ring would probably damage a chisel in the process.  If you start cutting from the top down you most likely will not be able to use the spanner.  You really run the risk of damaging the top of transmission threads and tub bearing glide surface by using a chisel.  Both AJ and myself have never had to cut one off.  A powered cutting wheel on a mini grinder would be a better way to cut this off.  Just remember the risk of severely damaging the transmission. 
 
 
 
Before you get to the last resort of using a chisel.... or powered cutting tool.  Spray into the set screw hole and wait an hour or so for the penetrating oil to work.  I would spray into set screw the hole at least 2 times and re-attempt normal removal before reluctantly starting to cut the mounting stem off.  I shudder at the thought of ever having to cut off a mounting stem.  It will not be easy due to very hard ring on the bottom of the mounting stem.       
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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2013, 01:55:15 PM »
Had some brake fluid and applied it to the stem.
Also sprayed PB into set screw hole.
Now to enjoy the best part, waiting and resting in between.


Thank you for the noble response.

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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #70 on: September 26, 2013, 04:55:44 PM »
Alas I am in the process of cutting off the mounting stem. Taking it slow and steady. Or bit by bit.


If it doesn't come off, I won't be able to fix the unit. Nothing to lose at this point.


My wife is looking at new machines over my protests.



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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #71 on: September 26, 2013, 07:21:21 PM »
I have drilled a few out. If you chisel the edge all around after drilling a few holes, the base will come loose. Then I start on the top edge and try to drill up the side and split it. Looking at the new stem kit you can see how deep it is and such. Also remove the center seal and can see down from the top if you haven't done so.

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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #72 on: September 27, 2013, 08:57:35 AM »
I hope that the delay in posting means you succeeded in getting the mounting stem off and on with needed repairs.   If not.... you already have the new mounting stem... assy... I might even be tempted to use a medium sized pipe wrench on this rascal to try and free it from the transmission threads.   
Kelly

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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #73 on: September 27, 2013, 09:00:19 AM »
Just getting ready to attack it again.I have aabout 40% off
Will try all of the above

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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #74 on: September 27, 2013, 07:53:01 PM »
Good news. The mounting stem is removed.
I think I see what the difficulty was, missing threads or is that the design.


Bad news. I believe that I was not as delicate as I should have been and mangled the shaft.


pictures attached


Before going any further, do I have a bucket of parts or a way out?


I replaced the injector parts 2 years ago.










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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #75 on: September 27, 2013, 09:20:19 PM »
At this point seeing all the severe damage... I personally would go to a local appliance repair shop and see if they had an Old Maytag transmission lying around and replace the upper half of the transmission.  I always had 3 or more sitting complete un-rebuilt units around when working in the shop.  It is best to look in the yellow pages and find some fella close by that sells USED washing machines.  (check classifide ads,  penny saver and the local dump recycling centers also) He may even sell you the whole transmission.  Even if he has the new style that looks like a differential you can use that one also.  I would not return the one your working on to service without replacing the agitator shaft and upper transmission cover.
 
Transmission PN your looking for is PN 2-3438  I hate using another competitors link but here:
http://www.appliancepartspros.com/09-transmission-parts-for-maytag-a612.html 
 
Any brand new transmission is the orbital type unless you can find a source with New Old Stock NOS.    New transmission type is PN   W10172457
 
Additionally... seeing this much water damage the radial bearing in the brake assy in the base of the unit is also probably no good.  The brake has a set screw on the upper side of the base that must be removed before turning the brake with a strap wrench even though their is another special tool spanner that your supposed to use in the shape of a C with 2 plates that fit top and bottom of the brake housing grasping 2 of the brake screws to turn it.   
 
Radial Bearing is PN 200835
 
Looks like your in a worst case scenario here... Personally if the base and tub(s) are in good shape I would try to find the parts to fix this unit as it will give you another 20 years of service with lite to med, usage. 
 
Kelly

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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #76 on: September 27, 2013, 10:13:27 PM »
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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #77 on: September 28, 2013, 09:43:59 AM »
If you switch to the orbital transmission, also get the agitator that comes with it. The transmission that you have puts out a bigger slower arc so the agitator base is larger. The orbital agitates with a quicker shorter arc  and uses an agitator with a smaller base.

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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #78 on: September 28, 2013, 03:41:44 PM »
Thanks Bailey your absolutely correct the agitator must also be switched. 
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Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2013, 03:31:48 PM »
Curiosity has be pondering the final outcome...??? Repair or... New Washer?
Kelly