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Title: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 15, 2012, 07:20:08 PM
As previously posted in another thread I have a newly installed heating element that will not turn off when the motor stops or the door is opened. The element only turns off when the cycle ends and timer is in off position or when using air dry. I have checked all connections and complte wire harness for short and can not find anything that would indicate a ground out was the issue.

Could it be the timer assembly? I did have a mishap with an accidental short while working on the unit under power. Could an accidental short fry something in the timer?

In addition to the above I have an intermittent problem with the thermal breaker on the motor kicking. I believe the issue may be related to cabinet overheating due to the element not cycleing properly?
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: Earl Dryer on February 15, 2012, 08:20:57 PM
Ok only one other thing I can think of, the centrifical switch on the motor is stuck closed.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: bigbuck on February 15, 2012, 08:26:16 PM
i second that answer, may have to replace motor, i would look it up but no model number listed.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 15, 2012, 08:35:50 PM
Ok only one other thing I can think of, the centrifical switch on the motor is stuck closed.

So the motor could be the cause of the heating element staying on? Is there a way ro test the centrifical switch to know or do I just have to fork over the $100 bucks in trial and error?
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 15, 2012, 08:38:00 PM
i second that answer, may have to replace motor, i would look it up but no model number listed.

Model # 110.60902990 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252Fmodelsearch_model.aspx%253Fmodel_id%253D5483203&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fmodelsearch_model.aspx%253Fmodel_id%253D5483203). I did replace the motor a few years ago but I do believe it was not an OEM FSP...
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: bigbuck on February 15, 2012, 08:39:20 PM
terminal 1 & 2 both red on motor, pull off switch, if its closed you need new motor.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 15, 2012, 09:00:24 PM
terminal 1 & 2 both red on motor, pull off switch, if its closed you need new motor.

So I ohm or continuity terminal 1 & 2. I am a novice when it comes to motor control switchs so this one is new to me. Usually a bad motor just doesn't run so you replace it! These things used to be so much simpler.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: Earl Dryer on February 15, 2012, 09:11:37 PM
Pull the plug off the motor turn the timer to a heated setting make sure the door switch is made push the start button is the heater on? No, change the motor.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 15, 2012, 09:50:04 PM
Pull the plug off the motor turn the timer to a heated setting make sure the door switch is made push the start button is the heater on? No, change the motor.

OK I'll take a get at that tomorrow. Thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 16, 2012, 11:34:55 AM
Pull the plug off the motor turn the timer to a heated setting make sure the door switch is made push the start button is the heater on? No, change the motor.

OK I'll take a get at that tomorrow. Thanks for the advice.

OK I am into it again and pulled the motor then took the "switch" apart. I notice right off the bat that the black plastic lever (I believe the centrifical switch lever) is worn on the outer curved part (the edge that rides along the motor). Upon closer inspection the contact points between terminal 1 & 2 apear burned and the plastic "tongue" which moves the contact points looks worn / heat warped.

I am assuming the normal operation position for these contacts is closed for heat and open for no heat? If the motor is off the motor clutch appears to be open (disengaged) so the lever (black plastic piece) pushes the contacts open. That being the case it would appear the lever has worn down / heat warped too much to actually do the intended job? Next question; Can I buy the parts or this mechanism instead of the whole motor?
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: jumptrout51 on February 16, 2012, 11:43:51 AM
The motor switch is not available separately.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 16, 2012, 12:55:07 PM
The motor switch is not available separately.

Of course not! It's probably a $20 part... Any ideas besides buying a whole new motor?
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: tgoods on February 16, 2012, 02:24:11 PM
Pry the contacts apart and file them smooth.  That might get you some extra life out of it. 
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 16, 2012, 02:40:05 PM
Pry the contacts apart and file them smooth.  That might get you some extra life out of it.

I am working on that now. The big issue is getting the contacts to seperate on open clutch as the "melted / heat warped" plastic lever is now about 1 mm short so when activated the plastic does not hit the lever to break the contacts. Really is too bad they do not sell that lever and the brass connector / point contact. Probably a total $1.00 cost if they did and then us DIYers could save a little more $$$ for beer!

I am actually suprised at just how close and how little tolerance the gap on these points are given the voltage rolling through. I guess the AMPS are relatively low so it's not as big a deal as say the gap on a spark plug or points in a car distributer (when cars had distributers).
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: jumptrout51 on February 16, 2012, 05:04:08 PM
Try getting a switch from a used appliance shop.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: Major on February 16, 2012, 05:18:25 PM
If the switch is deformed I would not fool with it ( fire hazard)
what is more important $100 or your family and home
go to a local repair shop or someone who scraps appiances and get a used motor if possible.
Have been repairing appliances for 25 years and only ever replaced 1 dryer motor so they are
usually in very good condition used, just check the switch to be sure it is good.
Fooling with a bad switch is not a good practice as dryers have lint in them and a fire is always possible.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: tgoods on February 16, 2012, 07:36:27 PM
Quote
25 years and only ever replaced 1 dryer motor


Seriously?  I just checked and have bought 62 279827 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827) dryer motors since 2003.  Averaging about 7 a year not counting other dryer motor part numbers.  Probably threw away at least 60 perfectly good motor switches, too.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: bigbuck on February 16, 2012, 08:15:58 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=936530n (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=936530n)
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: blondejon on February 16, 2012, 08:33:58 PM
Try getting a switch from a used appliance shop.

Or try to get a used motor from eBay.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AJ on February 16, 2012, 08:58:50 PM
Try getting a switch from a used appliance shop.

Or try to get a used motor from eBay.

or help support our site and buy it from one of our appliance parts affiliates (http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?topic=4745.0).



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Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 16, 2012, 09:12:49 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=936530n (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=936530n)

Funny you say that as I usually always keep the old parts around forever and never throw away something I think I may find a use for at a later date. That said I replaced this motor in 2008 and I believe I just cleared out my old parts pile when I made a scrap run last year.

I'd have to say though; I am not sure it would be wise to use an old part like this unless you were able to do a thorough inspect and tune. This particular switsh is easy to disect and repair if you had new parts available but like tuning an older car I'd want new contacts et.. to feel confident about it.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 16, 2012, 09:22:51 PM
If the switch is deformed I would not fool with it ( fire hazard)
what is more important $100 or your family and home
go to a local repair shop or someone who scraps appiances and get a used motor if possible.
Have been repairing appliances for 25 years and only ever replaced 1 dryer motor so they are
usually in very good condition used, just check the switch to be sure it is good.
Fooling with a bad switch is not a good practice as dryers have lint in them and a fire is always possible.

The switch itself is not deformed but a component inside the switch is. I do not disagree with you about the value of peace of mind for $100 but like my previous comparison I would not replace an entire distributer in a car just to fix a worn rotor and points. This switch is exactly like a car distributer if we viewed the centrifical clutch lever as a rotor and the brass contact arms as points.

Seems like such a waste to toss out a perfectly fine motor (car engine) because of a bad switch (distributer). Given that view I would venture to say why not just toss the whole dryer instead of replacing the drive motor?
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 16, 2012, 09:34:47 PM
Try getting a switch from a used appliance shop.

Or try to get a used motor from eBay.

or help support our site and buy it from one of our appliance parts affiliates (http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?topic=4745.0).



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I assume this part is not the OEM FSP motor correct? Ihave found many of the aftermarket motors around the web for $49-$100+. The OEM FSP units run $99-$275. The motor I installed in 2008 was an aftermarket and here I am again... My youngest duaghter is severly handicapped austistic so our machines get probably 3 times the use of a "normal family of 5. To me it's worth the extra $$ to get OEM especially since I just went through this with the heating element 6 months ago.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: RegUS_PatOff on February 16, 2012, 09:53:02 PM
I assume this part is not the OEM FSP motor correct?
did you click on the picture ?

Dryer Drive Motor $ 77
Original Whirlpool Part
Manufacturer's Number: 279827   
Made by Whirlpool
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 17, 2012, 05:08:02 AM
Yes I did and saw the price but it does not say it is FSP. All the aftermarket ones say "whirlpool part" the aftermarket ones come from china and FSP is from Mexico.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: RegUS_PatOff on February 17, 2012, 06:07:49 AM
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Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: whirlpooltech on February 17, 2012, 06:31:25 AM
Yes I did and saw the price but it does not say it is FSP. All the aftermarket ones say "whirlpool part" the aftermarket ones come from china and FSP is from Mexico.

Made by Whirlpool
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: jumptrout51 on February 17, 2012, 06:50:19 AM
The motor above IS FSP.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 17, 2012, 07:08:49 AM
Yes I did and saw the price but it does not say it is FSP. All the aftermarket ones say "whirlpool part" the aftermarket ones come from china and FSP is from Mexico.

Made by Whirlpool

There is no such thing as "made" by whirlpool on these motors. Whirlpool does not "make" there own components they are simply the assembly division of outsourced suppliers. The OEM supplier to whirlpool was FSP just like there is no such thing as "made" by kenmore.

If it's an FSP motor then it is OEM. If the motor is anything other than FSP it is aftermarket OEM spec. supplier touting the whirlpool name which means they simply pay for the rights to slap the name on a product after the whirlpool company stamps thier approval on the part. I hate to keep refering to cars but just like motorcraft is not allways made by Ford but is a labeled OEM part if you by champion spark plugs they are not "OEM".
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 17, 2012, 07:14:14 AM
The motor above IS FSP.

Are you certain of this? If so then that price is by far the best I've seen. I am going to confirm the details and follow up...
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 17, 2012, 07:26:17 AM
I assume this part is not the OEM FSP motor correct?
did you click on the picture ?

Dryer Drive Motor $ 77
Original Whirlpool Part
Manufacturer's Number: 279827   
Made by Whirlpool


I zoomed in on the photo and the label does say FSP
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AJ on February 17, 2012, 11:25:40 AM
 O0


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Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 17, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
O0


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Even though I'm in the appliance repair business and can purchase my parts at whole sale prices I still find myself order items from AppliancePartsPros (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252F&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252F) every now and then.


More common parts I order in bulk through my local (in state) dealer, but less common more expensive items like control board and such I sometimes order though AppliancePartsPros (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252F&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252F). They have very competitive prices and a great return policy.

Well, I don't doubt your statements at all and I would obviously prefer to order from a business that stands behind the product with service after the sale when needed. I also like to support those who take the time to help those who need it.

That being said I will likely order the motor through the company you have endorsed but the email response I received was rather generic and did not actually answer my question as to if the part was FSP. Maybe I am over researching the issue but as they say "Once bitten, twice shy." and my previous experience with aftermarket components has been iffy at best.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: whirlpooltech on February 17, 2012, 12:52:36 PM
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That sounds like something that would happen on ebay but not with a company like appliancepartspro (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252F&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252F).

Sounds like you won't be sure until you can hold the part in your hand before you purchase it.
Maybe you can find someone local to buy it from?
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 17, 2012, 01:17:41 PM
So you think applianepartspros post photos of a FSP parts, but then do a bait and switch so you end up getting a generic part?

That sounds like something that would happen on ebay but not with a company like appliancepartspro.

Sounds like you won't be sure until you can hold the part in your hand before you purchase it.
Maybe you can find someone local to buy it from?

Really? I do not prejudge any business but mama taught me; Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me! I called them and they stated the photo is a 2009 image and they have no idea if it still represents the actual part being sold... They did state that the part comes direct from whirlpool and I could call whirlpool and inquire as to the part supplier with theml So I did.

The whirlpool phone system transfered me to an authorised parts distributor who did confirm that the part coming from whirlpool is a USA made FSP part??? My research shows FSP parts are or were manufactured in Mexico?? :bonk: :thinking: :2funny:

Anywho I went ahead and ordered the motor as well as a motor / pump for my recently noisy dishwasher and spent $169.06 for both. If in fact the parts that arrive are indeed OEM parts I will be pleased...
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AppliancePartsPros on February 17, 2012, 01:58:48 PM
Hey guys,


I wanted to jump in here and re-assure everyone that when we say it's an OEM part - it is most definitely an OEM part. You can be sure that you're getting a quality replacement part.


Thanks,
Roman Kagan
CEO
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Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 17, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
Hey guys,


I wanted to jump in here and re-assure everyone that when we say it's an OEM part - it is most definitely an OEM part. You can be sure that you're getting a quality replacement part.


Thanks,
Roman Kagan
CEO
AppliancePartsPros.com (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252F&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252F)

Roman, I appreciate your post and I just want to make clear I was not questioning your authenticity for selling OEM parts. I understand that the parts you sell are from the manufacturer in this case my only specific concern was if the manufacturer (in this case whirlpool) was still using FSP for this motor. I will follow up on this once I receive my order.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: jumptrout51 on February 17, 2012, 04:34:59 PM
Click on the motor link,go to the alternate view where it is stamped FSP on the motor.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: jumptrout51 on February 17, 2012, 04:36:43 PM
http://www.appliancepartspros.com/Appliance-Parts/whirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx?pn_=279827 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827)
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 17, 2012, 05:24:31 PM
Click on the motor link,go to the alternate view where it is stamped FSP on the motor.

If you had scrolled up to reply 31 you would see I already did that and posted the picture. In the end I ordered the part because of that specific research and now I am simply anticipating the part that arrives is the same as shown in the 3 year old photo on the e-store site.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: rego on February 17, 2012, 08:29:39 PM
I am fairly new in the repair business (only 1.5yrs on my own) compared to the tech's on this site but I now we would never stear you to a site that didn't have quality parts.  I have been working with APP's for a long time and have nothing but good thing's to say.  I install factory part's from them and offer a 1 year warranty with them.  If I order the wrong part and it's more expensive than I can keep in my inventory I send it back...no questions asked they refund my money.  I have an account with a local supplier and when I need to order I usually get 7-10 day's and can get them online most of the time the next day.  You are getting factory parts from both APP's (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252F&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252F) and Repairclinic (http://www.repairclinic.com/).  Sorry this turned into a parts debate...maybe a new topic should be started.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 18, 2012, 07:01:03 AM
  Sorry this turned into a parts debate...maybe a new topic should be started.

Agreed, let's stop debating the parts from APP. Since I did order from them and they have assured me they are OEM we will see what arrives and I will post my follow up then. It is because of the help and advice from the members here that I took the confidence in APP.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AJ on February 18, 2012, 07:07:19 AM
 O0
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: rego on February 18, 2012, 07:08:11 AM
Look forward to hearing how it works out for you :)
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 18, 2012, 07:21:16 AM
O0

So just for grins and giggles I went and checked the shipping status...  ;D Are you kidding me;
2/18/2012 4:40:00 AM  On FedEx vehicle for delivery  WEST HENRIETTA, NY

I ordered these parts yesterday around 2PM EST and they're on the truck for delivery?

I am impressed so far to say the least!
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: whirlpooltech on February 18, 2012, 07:46:21 AM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: jumptrout51 on February 18, 2012, 09:12:09 AM
APP did their part. Up to the trucking company now.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 18, 2012, 02:02:16 PM
OK here is my result; Parts ordered arrived in a crazy fast way via fedex ground less than 24 hours after placing the order online with APP. To APP I award a triple AAA+ for selling and delivery OEM parts.  ;D O0 The dryer motor is an FSP OEM part and it popped right in place with a however... :tickedoff:

To Whirlpool and or FSP I award a DDD- due to the following issue; Although the motor is an almost perfect match regarding electrical connections and function the length os the shaft on the squirrell cage (blower side) is aproximately 2 mm too long!!!! >:( The problem with a shaft being to long is ... any guess'?

Let me splain. Once mounted with blower wheel attached the exhaust vent assembly (you know the one with the lint filter in it) presses against the wheel impeding free rotation thereby creating friction which causes the motor to over work and also a lot of noise.  ::)

Any ideas / experience with this? I currently have super glued 6 1mm thick washers (2 each behind 3 screws) to the motor mount cage behind the blower wheel (vent channell). :2funny:
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: Joebeef on February 18, 2012, 02:30:33 PM
There are two different motors Whirlpool uses for the kemore dryers.....yours should be part number 279787 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787).  Maybe they sent you a 279827 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827) instead which is the motor used if the blower wheel is in the back of machine.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: Joebeef on February 18, 2012, 02:40:31 PM
Have a parts book on my desk and the 279827 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827) blower shaft is 1/8 inch longer than the 279787 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787).  You need the 279787 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787) which is the dryer with blower wheel in front of machine.
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: whirlpooltech on February 18, 2012, 03:15:06 PM
If that is the case then you will want to read this.

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Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: bigbuck on February 18, 2012, 03:18:27 PM
Popcorn

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Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 18, 2012, 03:25:01 PM
There are two different motors Whirlpool uses for the kemore dryers.....yours should be part number 279787 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787).  Maybe they sent you a 279827 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827) instead which is the motor used if the blower wheel is in the back of machine.

Great. that would explain it! The motor I received is 279827 which is what I ordered  :embarassed: and what came up on the click through from the original picture link posted here... The look the same and it is in and working so what's the harm given the other motor from APP is twice the price?  :thinking:
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 18, 2012, 03:28:03 PM
Have a parts book on my desk and the 279827 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827) blower shaft is 1/8 inch longer than the 279787 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787).  You need the 279787 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787) which is the dryer with blower wheel in front of machine.

I see that, but the one I have in there now is basicly the same motor, same connector and is mounted and working so what's the downfall if any to sayin my bad but it's functional and safe?
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 18, 2012, 03:33:14 PM
Try getting a switch from a used appliance shop.

Or try to get a used motor from eBay.

or help support our site and buy it from one of our appliance parts affiliates (http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?topic=4745.0).



WHIRLPOOL 279827 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827) Dryer Drive Motor, AP3094245 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827)

(http://appliancejunk.com/images/ordernow.gif) (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827)
(http://www.appliancepartspros.com/partpic/Z3BqLjBfbXNfNzI4OTcyL0xQVy9zb3RvaHB0cmFwLw%3d%3d.jpg) (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827)

 :tsk: :o :oops: It happens and ultimately I should have triple checked myself...
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AJ on February 18, 2012, 03:37:28 PM
AnnesLimo

Joebeef is correct on the part number for your model.

I never looked up your model number before to see what motor it used.
I simply used the part number tgoods posted before me.

I don't believe tgoods looked it up either and he was just using a common part number for the whirlpool dryer motors in his post.

Anyway I can see where such a mix up could take place with that being the case. It's always best to use your model number to look up and order the correct part.

Quote
I see that, but the one I have in there now is basicly the same motor, same connector and is mounted and working so what's the downfall if any to sayin my bad but it's functional and safe?

I have no experience with installing the other motor in a different model dryer like you did, but I don't see why there would be any safety issues with it.

If another tech knows of any safety issues with him using this motor in that model dryer please let us know.

On the bright side it is the cheaper of the two motors. :)

Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: bigbuck on February 18, 2012, 03:49:26 PM
I've been put those motors in for customers for years haven't had no safety issues and customers love paying less for the motor

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Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 18, 2012, 04:18:05 PM
I've been put those motors in for customers for years haven't had no safety issues and customers love paying less for the motor

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So how do you compensate for th 1/8" difference?
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: bigbuck on February 18, 2012, 04:22:35 PM
I just bend motor bracket back a little!

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Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 18, 2012, 04:44:17 PM
I just bend motor bracket back a little!

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Hmm, I'll have to look at that option. Seems like the cage is prett rigid and there are 3 mounting screws for the squirrel cage. I am likely to stay with the wahers / spacers
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: bigbuck on February 18, 2012, 04:47:45 PM
If its working OK, don't. Bother it, you the man:)

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Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: AnnesLimo on February 18, 2012, 07:37:53 PM
If its working OK, don't. Bother it, you the man:)

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Sure enough. Interesting though that the same motor with a shorter shaft is twice the price?
Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: bigbuck on February 18, 2012, 07:43:38 PM
The dryer is called a dot dryer, not as many made as the regular back blower dryer.


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Title: Re: Kenmore 90 series heating element stays on.
Post by: tgoods on February 18, 2012, 09:42:43 PM
Quote
I don't believe tgoods looked it up either and he was just using a common part number for the whirlpool dryer motors in his post.

Sorry, didn't mean to cause confusion in the thread.  On the bright side, I never thought about using a 279827 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827) in place of a 279787 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094233.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279787).  I'll have to give it a try next time I run into one.  The 279827 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827) costs me $41 less wholesale. I've bought 21 279827 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-dryer-drive-motor-item-number-ap3094245.aspx%253Fpn_%253D279827)'s since 2003.