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Title: spin problem
Post by: brad on October 06, 2011, 04:17:17 PM
I have a Kenmore washer model no 110.28522700 (http://www.repairclinic.com/Model-11028522700-ID-699307-Parts) that has some kinda spin problem.Some times it will spin ok,and then sometimes you have to reach inside and start it to spin,by turning the basket.What do you guys think is wrong with this thing,and how can I fix it?
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Post by: Washaman on October 06, 2011, 06:54:05 PM
Common clutch problem.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: Washaman on October 06, 2011, 06:58:20 PM
http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Clutch-Assembly/285785/2670 (http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Clutch-Assembly/285785/2670)
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: brad on October 06, 2011, 07:27:23 PM
Thank you,I'll order the clutch.Thanks again.
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Post by: Washaman on October 06, 2011, 07:30:19 PM
Your welcome. There are videos to assist with installation also, but JW usually posts them. I can look them up if needed.
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Post by: AJ on October 06, 2011, 08:12:53 PM
Your welcome. There are videos to assist with installation also, but JW usually posts them. I can look them up if needed.

The video can be found on the same page you posted the link to for the clutch at repairclinic.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: Washaman on October 06, 2011, 08:24:51 PM
Oh yeah!  O0
http://youtu.be/tVc6SZ2DD4U (http://youtu.be/tVc6SZ2DD4U)
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 16, 2011, 10:05:34 PM
Same problem with no-spinning.  Here is what I know/checked:

Motor coupling is in good shape.

Motor runs, clutch spins.  See a little oil spun in a line on inside of cabinet but don't see any leaking at tranny seal.

I see a "loose" foam/rubber kind of ring (maybe 5" diam.) resting on the cowling-like part above the clutch.  Can't figure out where that is supposed to go and haven't read about it around here.

Took agitator off, ran spin and can see "drive shaft" spinning.  Can get tub to spin a little if I manually help it.

Checked agitator top (cam) and nothing appears broken or worn out.

Can't tell if drive block is ok - need spanner wrench to fully inspect.  Can't tell if brakes work properly.

How can I tell if it's just the clutch (http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Clutch-Assembly/285785/2670)?

I have pics of clutch and underside of tub but can't figure out how to post them.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: blondejon on November 16, 2011, 10:27:50 PM
It's your clutch (http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Clutch-Assembly/285785/2670).  If you have to manually spin the basket to get it to spin or if you can stop the basket with your hand it's your clutch. 
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: blondejon on November 16, 2011, 10:29:21 PM
And that loose foam rubber kind of thing is there as a sound damper. 
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 16, 2011, 10:51:59 PM
Awesome, blondejon!

I learn something new every day.  Do I buy the whole clutch assembly, just the clutch, also the Band and Lining?

I also read on another site that a responder was replacing the basket drive whenever he replaces a clutch because it he says it will go out soon after the clutch.  The basket drive is around $135 so I may just go new if I have to replace than AND the clutch.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on November 16, 2011, 11:47:32 PM
had one like that which was misbehaving;

Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on November 16, 2011, 11:48:44 PM
Replaced lining
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Post by: JWWebster on November 16, 2011, 11:50:58 PM
just squeeze babes liner comes right out
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Post by: tgoods on November 17, 2011, 10:11:26 AM
Quote
I also read on another site that a responder was replacing the basket drive whenever he replaces a clutch

I'd say this responder doesn't know what he's talking about.  The basket drive is just the spin tube with the brake attached.  I have never seen the brake go bad and I have worked on literally thousands of these. The only times I've seen a bad spin tube is when the drive block loosens up and bends the ears on the top of the tube.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on November 17, 2011, 11:13:13 AM
If he replacing basket drive with each clutch I think he is gouging folks. I have NEVER seen a bad basket drive yet. I have had to remove them and clean em up if they been sitting in the yard a while but never have I had to replace one.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 17, 2011, 07:07:55 PM
Just finished replacing clutch and running a load of laundry.  I torqued one of the motor mounting bolts off  :( but hope the remaining 2 hold up for at least a little while.

I did notice a slight "clunk" when it shifts gears from one phase to another, i.e. shifting into rinse mode.  I hope that is the new clutch breaking in?  I don't recall if the old one made the same sound.  Otherwise everthing seems to be working.

Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: whirlpooltech on November 17, 2011, 10:29:52 PM
If it was just a slight clunk I would not worry about it.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 29, 2011, 09:45:31 AM
I replaced the clutch (http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Clutch-Assembly/285785/2670) and it was working again but would hear a "clunk" when it was shifting gears from agitate to spin.  After about 4 uses, I started smelling a burnt plastic smell and on the last use it stopped spinning at all and just makes a lound humming sound.  Motor burned out?  If it did, what could cause that?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on November 29, 2011, 10:07:08 AM
Your capacitor could have blown it's top:

Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 29, 2011, 10:57:49 AM
Checked capacitor.  Looks good by my eye.  Doesn't look like the pictures of a blown one.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on November 29, 2011, 11:15:02 AM
Remove the motor from the tranny and test it on the floor.

I got this old control off of a leaky washer years ago. I use it to check motors.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 29, 2011, 11:40:22 AM
Nope.  Doesn't work, just get the hard buzzing sound.  Is the motor shot?  What could cause that?  I just replaced the clutch with a new one - could I have installed the clutch incorrectly?  If the motor is shot it looks like just buying new is the best option.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: whirlpooltech on November 29, 2011, 12:00:40 PM
Nope.  Doesn't work, just get the hard buzzing sound.  Is the motor shot?  What could cause that?  I just replaced the clutch with a new one - could I have installed the clutch incorrectly?  If the motor is shot it looks like just buying new is the best option.

When you have the motor on the floor and it's buzzing can you spin the shaft of the motor to get it running?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 29, 2011, 12:43:34 PM
Yes, I can get it spinning but slowly and it keeps humming.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: whirlpooltech on November 29, 2011, 12:53:21 PM
Unless you have some kind of bad connection on the motor plug I would say the motor is bad, what do you think JW?

As it's humming carefully wiggle the wire harness plug on the side of the motor to see if it kicks in and runs.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 29, 2011, 01:37:16 PM
Wiggling the wire harnass doesn't seem to affect it.  I can set the motor spinning properly with my hand (no humming) but it won't start up by itself, just hums and eventually smells like burning.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: whirlpooltech on November 29, 2011, 02:07:44 PM
Wiggling the wire harnass doesn't seem to affect it.  I can set the motor spinning properly with my hand (no humming) but it won't start up by itself, just hums and eventually smells like burning.

The capacitor is used to help start the motor, could be a bad capacitor yet even if it looks good.
How about the connection on the wire harness that plugs into the capacitor are they clean looking?

Could you remove the capacitor and take it to a shop that could test it for you?
The capacitor should say on the side of it the range it should test in for it to be good.

Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: AJ on November 29, 2011, 02:21:27 PM
I really like being able to check capacitors with my multimeter.
What is the reading on the side of your capacitor?


I have a couple extra used capacitors around that read 189-227MFD 110VAC part # 357021 (http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Start-Capacitor/482156/2859) like the one I'm testing in the photo.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 29, 2011, 04:05:06 PM
I don't know of anyone around here who would test the motor for me.  I may just try replacing the capacitor if they don't cost too much. 
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: whirlpooltech on November 29, 2011, 04:33:26 PM
I don't know of anyone around here who would test the motor for me.  I may just try replacing the capacitor if they don't cost too much. 

What is the model number of your washer?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 29, 2011, 06:36:09 PM
Kenmore 90 Series #110.22912.100 (http://www.repairclinic.com/Kenmore-Washing-Machine-Model-11022912100-ID-599551-Parts)
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: whirlpooltech on November 29, 2011, 07:00:01 PM
Kenmore 90 Series #110.22912.100 (http://www.repairclinic.com/Kenmore-Washing-Machine-Model-11022912100-ID-599551-Parts)

I looked up your model and it uses capacitor part number 8572720 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-capacitor-item-number-ap3861916.aspx%253Fpn_%253D8572720&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-capacitor-item-number-ap3861916.aspx%253Fpn_%253D8572720)
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 29, 2011, 07:00:45 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: whirlpooltech on November 29, 2011, 07:02:01 PM
Thanks!

No problem, let us know if that fixes it.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: RegUS_PatOff on November 30, 2011, 05:43:14 AM
does the Motor run OK in Agitate OR Spin  ?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 30, 2011, 10:43:28 AM
Thanks!

No problem, let us know if that fixes it.

But would a bad capacitor cause the motor to smell and eventually smoke?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 30, 2011, 10:47:13 AM
does the Motor run OK in Agitate OR Spin  ?

Motor does not turn by itself on Spin but will start spinning if I manually turn it.  Can't test Agitate.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: RegUS_PatOff on November 30, 2011, 02:45:52 PM
....  Can't test Agitate.
why not ?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on November 30, 2011, 03:03:03 PM
If it will go when you spin it then I highly suspect that capacitor.
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Post by: JWWebster on November 30, 2011, 03:04:09 PM
You cannot tell by looking at it if it is bad. If you short it between the terminals and it snaps or pops it is good. No snap no pop it is bad.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on November 30, 2011, 03:04:49 PM
If the cap was shorted it would throw the house circuit breaker.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on November 30, 2011, 07:54:06 PM
It doesn't spark or snap when I connect poles.  Could I have done something in my clutch replacement that could cause it to go bad?  It may sound like a silly question but it seems too coincidental that the capacitor went out days after I replaced the clutch.

Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on November 30, 2011, 08:51:33 PM
You might have something binding. You can check to correct operation of a tranny using a drill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ieZ5y47TAMk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ieZ5y47TAMk)

This video shows how it all works (http://foggyfacts.blogspot.com/2011/08/direct-drive-how-it-works.html)
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on December 01, 2011, 09:38:41 AM
I tested the tranny with a drill and it seems to work properly (like in the video) and without any uneven resistence or stops.

Could there be a short in the washer's electrical system?  causing the capacitor to go bad?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on December 01, 2011, 10:31:21 AM
These new caps don't have the same stuff in them. PCBs have been outlawed. They don't hold up as well as the older caps did.
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Post by: RegUS_PatOff on December 01, 2011, 10:46:56 AM
does the Motor run OK in Agitate OR Spin  ?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on December 03, 2011, 06:25:19 PM
Received new capacitor today.  Hooked it up and motor runs well for now.  Hopefully it doesn't start burning capacitors regularly.

Anyone know what this part is (see pic)?  If fell loose in front of me as I was tightening a mounting bolt on the tranny.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: whirlpooltech on December 03, 2011, 07:22:15 PM
Received new capacitor today.  Hooked it up and motor runs well for now.  Hopefully it doesn't start burning capacitors regularly.

Anyone know what this part is (see pic)?  If fell loose in front of me as I was tightening a mounting bolt on the tranny.

Glad to hear the capacitor fixed it.
That is a shipping pin. When the washer was new there was a yellow shipping strap that got pulled out of the washer and it released two of them shipping pins into plastic drop cups. Nothing you need now. :)
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on December 03, 2011, 07:31:29 PM
Great!  Thanks for the info and all the help everyone has given.  I will post again once everything is reassembled and working again.
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Post by: JWWebster on December 03, 2011, 09:04:19 PM
Way ta Git her did!!!
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on December 04, 2011, 12:16:57 PM
First time I tested it seemed OK but the second or third time - now I'm getting some kind of continuous clicking sound when it spins.  Capacitor gets quite hot also.  And sometime when it spins, the tub has an extra wiggle to it about once a second.  Clutch is new and coupler looks in good shape.  I can smell a burning smell again but it doesn't seem to be coming from motor/tranny area.

Now what?  :embarassed:
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on December 04, 2011, 12:29:44 PM
It wasn't doing any of these things before the capacitor went out!
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Post by: RegUS_PatOff on December 04, 2011, 01:30:37 PM
YouTube video of the Washer Motor in Spin ... ?
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Post by: jumptrout51 on December 04, 2011, 03:43:40 PM
It wasn't doing any of these things before the capacitor went out!
But did them after you replaced the clutch?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on December 04, 2011, 03:52:23 PM
Didn't make any of the noises after I replaced the clutch.   It worked for a week then capacitor went out.  Replaced capacitor (after taking motor and tranny off to test), put everything back together, clicking and wiggle in the spin.
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Post by: jumptrout51 on December 04, 2011, 05:18:54 PM
Did you re-attach the spring to the chassis in the back?
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Post by: JWWebster on December 04, 2011, 05:41:49 PM
Well you know the cap is good now you can order a motor.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on December 04, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
1.  Is the capacitor supposed to get hot during use?  Would the motor make a clicking sound?

2.  I never unhooked a spring on the chassis but I will check that.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on December 04, 2011, 05:55:00 PM
You either have a bad motor or something binding.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on December 04, 2011, 06:21:57 PM
If that's the case, I'm done.  This machine is turning into a hole in the basement I throw money into.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on December 05, 2011, 11:34:38 AM
Whirlpooltech have any last words for my kenmore before it's put to pasture?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: whirlpooltech on December 05, 2011, 11:44:52 AM
You either have a bad motor or something binding.

I agree with JW, don't know what else to tell ya...
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on December 05, 2011, 12:53:31 PM
Could the brake be sticking or causing problems?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on December 05, 2011, 02:29:53 PM
Very possible. Has it been sitting up?
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Post by: DH13 on December 05, 2011, 02:37:48 PM
I don't know what sitting up means.  You mean has the washer been sitting upright?  Yes.  It has also been laying on its side for days on end.  How do I check the brakes?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on December 05, 2011, 03:26:57 PM
Slow spin phenom can cause the motor to short cycle also. Remove the agitator and then remove the basket. Lay her over and remove the tranny. Then twist the brake cam actuator and release the brake and yank out the spin tube assembly as seen in this video:

http://youtu.be/9iK3KmxiWgc
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on December 13, 2011, 07:32:52 PM
I found a used motor on ebay for $40 and another capacitor for $5.  So after $130 total and countless hours, all installed and washer is running smoothely (fingers crossed).

Thanks again for all the help.

DH

Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: AJ on December 13, 2011, 07:43:16 PM
Glad to hear you got it working and thanks for the donation (http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?action=treasury) to our site.  O0
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on December 15, 2011, 05:34:38 PM
I been pretty busy today. I cleaned up a whirlpool dryer and put a coupler on one of these washers. I have one more to fix and it is doing the same thing. Clicking. I put the motor of the other washer I put a coupling on on that washer and all it did was click so I know it is something to do with the brake. It got dark on me so I gotta wait to fix this one tomorrow. I am gonna take some pix. Purty day today. 77 degrees and sunny with a slight breeze from the south. Hope tomorrow is just as nice :)
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Post by: RegUS_PatOff on December 15, 2011, 09:41:48 PM
sorry, I haven't read throught the entire thread, but
... won't Spin, but does it Agitate OK ?
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on December 16, 2011, 11:28:34 AM
I removed the tranny from this direct drive and have some raw live photos. The brake cam actuator was just dangling. The c clip is missing. As you can see this lever releases the brake. It sits on the base of the spin tube. It has a recessed grove and is held into the base by a simple c clip. Click pix to enlarge:
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: JWWebster on December 16, 2011, 11:42:30 AM
The missing clip is part number 90368 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-ring-item-number-ap3018140.aspx%253Fpn_%253D90368&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-ring-item-number-ap3018140.aspx%253Fpn_%253D90368). so what seems to be a junker can be fixed for less than 5 bucks
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: DH13 on June 12, 2012, 02:41:10 PM
Hi guys, I'm back with the same washer.

Since I replaced the motor (with another used motor), new clutch and capacitor, it had been working great until a couple weeks ago.  Now it won't spin at all.  No clicking, no humming, just dead when it is on the "spin" setting. 

Any ideas?  I have the urge to go new at this point since the money and time I'm putting into the old one is starting to make less sense.
Title: Re: spin problem
Post by: Joebeef on June 12, 2012, 03:11:37 PM
check lid switch...