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Title: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on February 25, 2008, 09:08:04 PM
 It spins out but cloths are still dripping wet . sometimes it will spin out ok .But i rearrange the cloths all the time ,but it won't spin all the water out now.
I have taken the back panel off it ,and the pump looks clean (nothing inside it) water runs out of the drain hose when i layed it on the floor. The belt seems good and no oil or grease on anything under it.  Thanks Lonnie :tickedoff:

Model PAV3200AWW
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: Repair-man on February 26, 2008, 06:02:38 AM
I usually replace the thrust bearing kit in cases of intermittent spin complaints on the Atlantis and Performa platforms, part # 12002213
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on February 26, 2008, 08:38:42 PM
Today it spun out 2 loads just fine and i didn't do anything to it ?

Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: Repair-man on February 27, 2008, 04:18:06 AM
Then, why don't you simply ignore it, and maybe it will go away :)
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on February 27, 2008, 04:31:01 AM
 Thats what i was hoping until she starts bitchin about it! I was reading here where i need a special tool for the spring or something that costs $100.00 in order to change the bearings in it? I was having trouble finding the right parts for it too? I keep coming up with wrong model number. My owners manual  says performa 3200/4200. Any clue's?
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: Repair-man on February 27, 2008, 04:59:59 AM
Here's the skinny:

You do NOT need a special tool to replace the thrust bearing, as the brake does not have to be undone. The thrust bearing is located in between the large drive pulley and below the brake.

The model number for this Herrin platform machine is located on the top of the control panel on the left side, slightly to the rear. The instructions are wrtten in black and white  inside the new kit. The old thrust bearing consists of an array of washers and a thin bearing. The new kit you replace it with is an 'encapsulated' bearing, much simpler and less parts to confuse you with.

Your model is probably a PAV3200AWW, so the thrust bearing kit is part # 12002213
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on February 27, 2008, 09:51:15 AM
I use a simple claw tool because it is small enough to get between the spokes and its curved feature and claw makes it easy to compress the spring so that the e clip can be easily re-installed. without de compressing this spring slightly it is imposible to get that clip back on unless you are king kong. Directions come with the package but they don't tell you how to get that clip back on. Remember to put back all the parts in the order they came off. Once that clip is removed all the other stuff sometimes flys off everywhere. Using this simple carpenters claw makes it real easy. :2funny:
Title: E-clip
Post by: Repair-man on February 27, 2008, 10:19:12 AM
I guess every tech has his own way of compensating for a tight fitting clip, but I have never had to poke anything in there to compress the spring before. I simply use my wide-bladed screwdriver in the slot where the clip goes to pry the shaft downward with one hand while I snap the new clip on with the other. There is usually enough space to install the clip snugly.

The new kit may have parts which do not look like the ones which came off. Throw everything away that falls off when you pop the clip, as the new kit has everything needed inside.

Part # 12002213
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on March 25, 2008, 02:17:44 PM
I wonder what kind of claw tool you are speaking of here? Wonder bar? I can barley get a screw driver tip under there and i don't see me being able to get a clip on there even with the thinnest washer.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on March 25, 2008, 02:27:27 PM
It is just one of them regal tools made in china. It is red made of steel with no hammer head,just a small curved claw. Just right for compressing that brake. makes it way easy to put that e-clip back on. It fits right down between the spokes of the drive pulley. The claw allows just enough leverage to compress the brake.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on March 25, 2008, 02:40:02 PM
repairman I think I figured out how you do it. Since you are laying on your back, all of the washers weight is pushing at a downward force towards you,as you replace the kit you are able to push upward and compress the brake using the weight of the washer. I could see where that might work for Hulk Hogan. An old man like meself has got ta find an easier way. I once got my nephew to stand on the drive pulley while I tried to replace that e clip. I could not get heads nor tails out of the maytag rep and I even bought the fancy brake tool. I gotta ask you this: when you put the drive pulley back to test it you twist the pulley to release the brake if the drive pulley passes a mark set on the pulley you must remove the thin washer and add the fat washer right? I am asking this for the benefit of our friend here.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: Repair-man on March 25, 2008, 03:21:15 PM
That is what the instruction sheets says.
Dang right, repairs are a lot easier when you can get your big butt down on the floor! I can still kneel with the best of 'em at 53.

Standing on the pulley and/or depressing the brake is not the way to go about replacing that clip. In fact, no pressure at all should be applied to the brake, especially with your Nafta-made claw thingie.
The steel drive shaft is the secret. If you hold the thrust bearing assembly in place and slip the last thin washer over the shaft, use a big flat-blade screwdriver in the slot where the c-clip goes to press the shaft down a mite. It will give about 1/32" , just enough to slip the clip on with your other hand. Then use some needle nose to further advance the clip into place. Try it a few times...you'll see.

What you need out there is a big chain hoist so you can lift those pesky machines up over your head to fix 'em. I get a mental image of this rather easily :)
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on March 25, 2008, 04:10:58 PM
All I know is I am glad I do not have to fix these but once in a blue moon. I will give your way a try next time I come across one.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on March 30, 2008, 10:50:22 AM
Ok guys i got the bearing kit installed . I had to use an old thinner washer from the old parts to get the clip on and it was still ungodly tight.I had to use 2 screw drivers and then hammer the clip in to place the rest of the way.As far as adjustment i could only get it to the low line and no further .It still does the same thing ,sometimes it spins out but last night it left a wet load in there .I had to wring em out by hand to put in the dryer.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on March 30, 2008, 12:09:42 PM
See that's why I say you need to stick a claw under the lip of the brake and mash that thing down so you can add a washer. If you have too many washers the tub will spin all by itself. NO GOOD If you have not enough then it will leave the clothes wet. If you have never done this repair before ,then you will need to keep at it till you get it just right. The first one I did took me 5 times before I got it right.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: whirlpooltech on March 30, 2008, 12:20:53 PM
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All I know is I am glad I do not have to fix these but once in a blue moon.

I hear ya there JW. I alway's have trouble getting them washers back on right too.

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It is just one of them regal tools made in china. It is red made of steel with no hammer head,just a small curved claw. Just right for compressing that brake. makes it way easy to put that e-clip back on. It fits right down between the spokes of the drive pulley. The claw allows just enough leverage to compress the brake.

Need to get me one of these and give it a try next time I work on one. :)
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on April 02, 2008, 09:44:05 PM
I am convinced here is no possible way to get any thicker washer in there. I had to beat the clip in with a  hammer and screw driver while  i had someone else hold 2 screw drivers in the slot to get the clip in.
 I figure i'm gonna have to get a new washer or someone else to fix it .
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on April 02, 2008, 09:52:16 PM
I will tell you another way to do it. It is tricky. Get 2 lug nuts and attach some bailing wire to them. wit all the parts off of the tranny you can plainly use a lug wrench to press down on that brake package(with washer turned upside down on a pad)Slip the nuts into the gap so that the brake will remain compressed. Put everything back on and snatch out the nuts. Told ya it was tricky
Title: Re: Thrust bearing clip
Post by: Repair-man on April 03, 2008, 06:15:06 AM
Just a side note about the washer and clip....

You do not have to use the thick washer at all, unless for some reason you have lots of room. As you know, this is not often the case but they send one anyway. If there is little or no room left on the shaft, I have installed the c-clip with the thinnest washer I have, even it it's from the old kit. It really does get easier the 2nd or third time you do this.

The absolute easiest way to do the thrust bearing is to remove the 6 springs, tub hoses & airline, disconnect the belt, then lift the whole assembly, tub and all, out onto the floor and turn it upside down. All the parts are easy to replace from this angle, and no nuts are needed :)

As long as you have the spring tool handy this only takes about 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on April 11, 2008, 10:33:34 PM
Well guys i talked today with the master tech guy and he says it isn't the thruster bearing .He claims it is a problem in the transmission.
Title: Performa Thrust Bearing Update
Post by: Repair-man on April 12, 2008, 04:01:36 PM
Here is the latest release from Maytag concerning the thrust bearing:
Thrust Bearing Update (http://repair2000.com/Library/thrust_bearing_update.pdf)

The more you know...well you know.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on April 12, 2008, 09:17:54 PM
repair man that was the best post ever right there. I have a ques?
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on April 12, 2008, 09:35:08 PM
Yes?
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on April 12, 2008, 10:14:37 PM
Did yall get that what tey suggested about the brake package? Didn't make sense to me.
Title: Brake pkg
Post by: Repair-man on April 13, 2008, 04:56:50 AM
What they are saying (without really saying) is that they also re-designed the brake rotor. I guess they want you to replace it as well for best results. They are implying that a new brake rotor will make it easier to install that c-clip.


Brake Rotor Part # 35-6714
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on April 13, 2008, 11:35:31 AM
I replaced everything that would come off of the shaft ,so i don't know what else to do.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on April 13, 2008, 11:51:55 AM
Is it working now?
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on April 13, 2008, 12:09:59 PM
It works just like it did before i started doing anything to it.  Spins out and leaves wet cloths sometimes.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on April 13, 2008, 12:15:46 PM
maybe you need to add another washer?
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on April 13, 2008, 12:18:54 PM
I had to put an old thinner washer on it from the old bearing .The one that came with it was impossible to get on. It took 2 of us with a hammer with 3 screw drivers to pound it in there.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: Repair-man on April 13, 2008, 02:16:50 PM
Just one note on the Performa (Atlantis too), if a load gets off balance, the tub will not spin but a couple of turns a second. There's an automatic braking response if the tub travels too far near the cabinet. Be sure you always use the HIgh water levels, even with smaller loads to avoid having the load bunch up on one side of the spin basket.

Also, check to see that your pump is discharging a full tub of water in under 70 seconds. If not, you have pump issues. To find out, fill the machine to a high water level, then switch the timer over to a spin cycle and time the discharge until the tub is empty.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on April 13, 2008, 03:21:14 PM
Is it working now?
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on June 11, 2008, 06:40:42 PM
I filled the tub to the max with no cloths in it and it took 2 min 10 seconds to empty it
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on June 11, 2008, 07:46:44 PM
Take the pump apart and get the gookus out of it.


Maytag Performa Washer Drain Pump Part # 35-6780
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: lowhook on June 11, 2008, 08:11:16 PM
Did that ,nothing in it ,impeller looks clean and spins freely. Bearing feels tight . I'm going to take it to the local repair man tomorrow have him loom at the pump see if he see's anything wrong with it.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: Repair-man on June 11, 2008, 09:04:15 PM
Yeah, take it to the repair guy. He'll likely replace the pump. Or save yourself a few steps and go get the pump and install it.
It's part # 35-6780

Remember my first post?
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check to see that your pump is discharging a full tub of water in under 70 seconds. If not, you have pump issues

Maytag has improved the pump since your machine was made .
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: doobsdad on July 05, 2009, 07:49:23 PM
This was helpful, but I have a tidbit to add.  I was having the same problem.  Maytag Performa PAV5000AWW.  Clothes sopping wet. Then I noticed it agitated but did not spin.  I finally tried replacing the thrust bearing kit, which went ok, but I also had a hard time getting that last, thin washer on before the final E-clip.  The adjustment indicator was just below "minimum".  I followed the advice here and got the washer on, but it made it WORSE--way below minimum.  So I tried the old, worn cam (I think--the white plastic piece that goes into the pulley right before the last washer and e clip).  I did not place any washer, and now the indicator is between min. and max. and lo and behold, it works!  Hallelujah.  I am a little worried about not having a washer, but hey, it works.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on July 06, 2009, 06:17:44 PM
Glad ya could Get ER Done! That is a tough job for a novice. It is a trial and error thing to get that just right. If you have too many washers then the drum will not lock inplace for wash and the clothes will knot up. If you do not have enough then it won't spin. ya dun good!!!
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: doobsdad on July 07, 2009, 11:05:44 PM
Thanks.  I'm a novice, like you said, but are you sure it isn't the other way around?  It seemed I needed fewer washers for the brake to release.
Title: Re: Maytag performa spinning out!
Post by: JWWebster on July 07, 2009, 11:13:44 PM
All I know is: :D the dayum thang is wurkin. If it ain't right it wont wurk!