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Title: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 13, 2009, 12:30:35 AM
I first found oil puddled under the washer when I temporarily moved it. I've torn the washer down and found the oil splattered on the inside walls of the cabinet as well as "spray" marks on the top of the gearcase and clutch. The clutch is pretty well soaked in oil. Pulling the gearcase apart revealed about 5 oz of oil remaining. The top cover seal appears to be stretched, and has a visible gap between it and the shaft on one side where the oil appears to be spraying from.

With that said, I found posts here on the forum stating the gearcase is leaking because water has leaked from above and displaced the oil. As a result, the gearcase, clutch, and drive tube needs to be replaced.

The questions: Why? Why not replace the seals in the gearcase and drive tube, then flush the gearcase with a cleaner, refill with oil (plain ole 90W?) and get back to washing? I guess I would also want to get the agitator kit, inspect the dogs for excessive wear?, and inspect the motor coupler for execessive wear? Is there something like a worn bushing or bearing that caused the gearcase seal to "stretch"?

Model LSQ9564JQ0
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: Mr. Fix-It on October 13, 2009, 07:06:42 AM
I don't think you need to worry about the drive tube if you don't have a tub leak. You can replace the seals on the tranny I'm not sure about the oil you use though. As for the clutch you can degrease it and still use it if it has enough pad left on it . Good Luck
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 13, 2009, 07:25:54 AM
I appreciate the help. How do I know if I've had a tub leak? Will it be obvious enough like the gearcase oil on the floor? What I was attempting to point out in my first post was some of the other threads on here imply I have a tub leak which in turn flooded the gearcase displacing the oil out of the gearcasing.

So maybe I have tub leak first and foremost?

Thanks again.

JR
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: Mr. Fix-It on October 13, 2009, 07:29:15 AM
If there was as big a gap in the tranny seal as you said ther would probably be water in the gearcase if you had a tub leak.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 13, 2009, 07:23:22 PM
I'll plan to at least replace the gearcase seal and refill with new oil. Does anyone know if I can use any 90W oil?

Does anyone have any thoughts on this approach or my other questions? In other words, should I replace other seals and parts as preventative maintenance?
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: JWWebster on October 13, 2009, 07:56:29 PM
You can use GS 90. Replace the shaft seal Mr AJ has one cheap enough.

Tranny seal (http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?action=store;sa=view;id=48)

 oil seal kit (http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?action=store;sa=view;id=49)
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 13, 2009, 10:26:34 PM
1) I took a look at the agitator dogs from the top (semi-transparent cam on this model), and they are non-existent. They have simply disintegrated into small chunks of plastic. I attempted to  disassemble the agitator by holding the bottom half of the agitator with my feet while pulling on the upper half as detailed on this site. Nothing. It won't move. Is this model different somehow?

2) GS 90?

Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: JWWebster on October 14, 2009, 12:00:59 AM
GS90 is nothing more than motor cycle gear oil. it will work. You can buy the actual oil for the tranny if you wish, gear oil is $2 , the FSP# 350572 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-gear-case-oil-item-number-ap3072960.aspx%253Fpn_%253D350572&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-gear-case-oil-item-number-ap3072960.aspx%253Fpn_%253D350572) pint of oil is 20 bucks you do the math LOL. Yank apart the upper and lower agitator and replace the dogs FSP# 80040 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-agitator-dogs-item-number-ap3119063.aspx%253Fpn_%253D80040&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-agitator-dogs-item-number-ap3119063.aspx%253Fpn_%253D80040) around 5 bucks. FYI and those of you who live in Yorma linda FSP means factory specified part a trade mark of the whirlpool corp.  :2funny:



WHIRLPOOL 350572 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-gear-case-oil-item-number-ap3072960.aspx%253Fpn_%253D350572&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-gear-case-oil-item-number-ap3072960.aspx%253Fpn_%253D350572) Gear Case Oil, AP3072960 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-gear-case-oil-item-number-ap3072960.aspx%253Fpn_%253D350572&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-gear-case-oil-item-number-ap3072960.aspx%253Fpn_%253D350572)

Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 14, 2009, 08:02:22 AM
Ok. Just wanted to be sure we were talking the same 90W oil. I am not familiar with the prefix "GS".

Here is the game plan so far:
1) Replace the seals in the gearcase
2) Refill the gearcase with 90W oil. I assume you fill up the gearcase with the top cover off, install the gearcase cover and your done. Does anyone have input on this?
3) Degrease clutch with (brake?) cleaner
4) Replace agitator dogs

Seals are ordered.

If anyone else wants to chime in with other things to check while I've got this tore down it would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: Al Capone on October 14, 2009, 08:20:15 AM
Direct Drive Gear Case - Transmission Photos (http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?action=gallery;cat=22)
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: JWWebster on October 14, 2009, 11:03:24 AM
You can easily remove the clutch liner with a pair of pliers. Just squeeze the spring and all comes right out; makes for easy cleanup. Use some perma-tex 2 on the gearcase cover.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: AJ on October 14, 2009, 11:12:42 AM
Quote
I assume you fill up the gearcase with the top cover off, install the gearcase cover and your done. Does anyone have input on this?

That is correct.
Here is what one looks like full of oil with the top removed.



(http://appliancejunk.com/forums/gallery/0/1_21_04_08_7_00_53_30.jpg)
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 14, 2009, 09:39:57 PM
All of the inputs are appreciated! Great forum for sure! O0
Hopefully we'll have this thing back up and running this weekend.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 14, 2009, 11:21:59 PM
...Yank apart the upper and lower agitator and replace the dogs FSP# 80040 around 5 bucks.

I've yanked and pulled, but no give yet. I'm yanking hard enough the agitator base is flexing pretty good where I am holding it down with my feet.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: whirlpooltech on October 15, 2009, 04:55:26 AM
Here is a video I found on YouTube that shows you how to replace the agitator dogs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5wIN1J70-Y
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 15, 2009, 09:34:10 PM
Wow. Great photos and video clip.

Thanks
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 17, 2009, 12:00:57 PM
Alright. We are not quite there, but close. I replaced all of the seals in the gearcase. I wasn't sure if I got the spin gear back in the right position if that's possible. I had to spin it around a little before it "fell into place", but it was rotated differently that when I took it out. The gearcase appeared to spin ok after assembly.

I replaced the oil seals in the top of the drive tube in addition to the gearcase seals.

I also got the agitator dogs replaced. It turns out the plastic white fingers that stick up and protrude through the agitator "clutch?" (the part where the dogs attach) were smashed down for some reason. The washer has never been apart since I bought it new. A good tap with a screw driver to clean them up allowed the agitator to pop apart.

The washer is reassembled and not leaking at the moment, but it is making a clicking sound during agitation. I'm not sure if this due to a possible mis-alignment in the gearcase as mentioned above, or if this is due to a mis-alignment between the drive tube and clutch. We are filling, draining, spinning, and agitating with a loud click. Any thoughts?

Thanks so much for all of the help!
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 17, 2009, 11:22:34 PM
I should clarify two points I have might have confused in my previous post.

1) The clicking is only occuring during agitation

2) By drive tube to clutch alignment I mean this:
(http://appliancejunk.com/forums/gallery/0/1_21_04_08_7_00_54_32.jpg)


I'm thinking the white plastic piece may not be straddling the clutch pad bracket as shown in the photo.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: JWWebster on October 18, 2009, 02:04:42 PM
Well as long as you ain't binding into that spring with the brake cam lever it will be ok. You can assemble it anywhere other than hitting the spring and the next time it spins it will jump into place.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 18, 2009, 10:30:36 PM
Hmmm.. So does it sound like the issue is inside of the gearcase? The gearcase did not make any clicking noises before disassembly so I'm certain it should not be left that way now.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: JWWebster on October 18, 2009, 10:38:36 PM
Something must be wank. Take it out the washer and run it. See if you can isolate the noise
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 19, 2009, 10:11:53 PM
I did several searches for this type of problem, but didn't find anything similar although there are some other types of clicking issues.

I haven't pulled the gearcase again, but I did rotate the agitator by hand and could hear the clicking sound. It occurs at 8 o'clock and again at 2 o'clock (180 degrees apart) when rotating the agitator clockwise. There is also a very very light sound (almost a feel) in the agitator near the same spots when spinning it counter clockwise. It sounds like a little metal piece being pulled back and then "clicking" past whatever is pulling on it when turning the agitator slowly.

Anyone have additional thoughts on this? One would think others would have ran into this issue with re-assembling a gearcase and washer.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: jr_ece on October 23, 2009, 10:51:52 PM
I pulled the gearcase last night and found two things.

1) I popped the gearcase apart and found the spring of the trip lever in front of the tab. I re-assembled using Neutral Drain Kit Assembly instructions found online. This got rid of the "clicking" noise.

2) The white plastic piece clipped to the bottom of the drive tube has quite a bit of travel (maybe 90 degrees?) before it hits a stop. This is causing a clanking noise during agitation that I assume is okay. How much travel should there be?

Thanks again for those who helped steer me in the right direction. We've put about 7 loads through the washer since replacing the seals with no leaks. The agitator dogs are fixed too.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer Leaking Oil
Post by: JWWebster on October 23, 2009, 11:32:04 PM
Cool, let er do a few loads to settle down. LOL