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Title: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 26, 2009, 08:50:02 PM
We have a Frigidaire FSC23F7DSB7 refrigerator that stopped cooling. This afternoon the temperature starting climbing rapidly and stopped around 58 degrees F. A repairman came to look at it a little while ago and said the control board and the thermostat need to be replaced, for a total of $289. Is this an alright price? I don't mind paying it if it will fix it.

He had to go in through the freezer and take off the  back wall panel and the coils there were all frozen up and then he slid the control board out from under the fridge and that is how he determined this.

Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Repair-man on May 27, 2009, 06:32:33 AM
It's probably a bad main power board, part # 241511101

Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 27, 2009, 12:17:50 PM
Well he did test something with a meter around where the thermostat is so I guess that's fine. As far as replacing the board, I could do it, as I have done minor repairs with the water dispenser lever, but since the guy is coming to do the thermostat I guess I might as well just let him do it.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 27, 2009, 04:09:37 PM
Okay, new predicament. The guy came by with the new control board and thermostat. He plugged the new control board in and the lights were flashing on and off and the temp readout was showing E for freezer and F for the refrigerator.  He said that he was told this board would be compatible in that he wouldn't have to replace the UI (User Interface) as well. He said that replaces that UI also requires a Frigidaire tech to come and enter a special code as well. He said total repairs would be over $600, which is new refrigerator time as far as I am concerned. Is this all correct? What do I do from here?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 27, 2009, 04:55:26 PM
Sorry to make so many replies in a row, but I forgot to mention that on the board he replaced with, the part number was 241511111 and the board that was there already was 241511101


There was a paper that came with the 11 replacement board that said you had to replace the UI if you had the 01. So something just clicked in my head, why was he not using an 01 board?





Frigidaire Refrigerator UI Control Board Part # 240596702
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: MajorApp on May 27, 2009, 09:40:19 PM
Sounds like your gettin scammed to me. $600.00 plus a different tech to enter a code.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 27, 2009, 09:51:26 PM
The strange thing is he didn't even want to go through with it. He automatically starting packing up and said he was sorry it didn't work out. Is there even such a thing as a Frigidaire tech having to enter a code?

So does the thermostat and control board sound like a good assessment? Could the problem be anything else other than those 2 things? I could replace the control board myself for sure, I would need to find out how to do the thermostat but I could do it I'm sure.

Right now after having been off for 24 hours and turned back on a little while ago, the fridge and freezer seem to be working. The freezer is at 0 and the fridge at 35. Either it will work normally now or those coils in the back of the freezer will freeze up again.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 27, 2009, 09:57:37 PM
I just saw on repairclinic.com
Quote
(The manufacturer has replaced part number 241511101 with this item, part number 241511111.)

So that answers one question...So if 241511101 is not available, and 241511111 requires you to replace the entire UI, then shame on Frigidaire. If this is true I will never buy another one of their products.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 29, 2009, 12:42:40 AM
Thanks, I may take you up on that offer, though for right now the fridge and freezer seems to be working. Worst case scenario, I figure the evaporator (sorry I'm still new at this, whatever the coils are in the back of the freezer) will freeze up again.

Now let me ask this, is the evaporator freezing up what caused the whole refrigerator to get warm, and if so, what would have cause it to freeze up. If not, what cause the symptom of a frozen evaporator? Sorry, I asked that kind of backwards. If I have researched correctly, the evap froze up because the defrost didn't cycle, so that leads me to what caused the defrost not to work. Whether that is a control board, thermostat, or something else, that's what I need to find out I guess.

Also, as far buying that part from you, I just noticed you are in Canada, whereas I am located in Georgia, so shipping might be expensive. I'll worry about that when the time comes I guess. But I assume that since this is a 01 there would be no problems with plugging it in. Do you happen to know why they made that revision at all? Was there a problem with the 01 board?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 29, 2009, 12:53:05 AM
gimme a bit to find and post a manual for you
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 29, 2009, 01:06:37 AM
http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?action=downloads

there is your manual

and i think we should start from the begining, i dont like hearing you needed the board and thermostat(i have to assume this would be the defrost therm cause the fridge has no control thermostat)

the manual explains how to force defrost from the controls, this test must be done while the freezer is cold

once you have some frost on the evaporator remove the freezer back then run the force defrost test and see if the heater gets hot... post back your findings

i'll try to check in nightly for you to make sure you need a board before i ship one out

as for the change in board and UI, sorry but i do not know the reason nor do the engineers tell us the reason, but i sure would like for them to explain why they caused such a PITA

i can say that i do not see many failures with these boards, and i do friggy warranty so i see alot of these units, the common failure is the defrost thermostat which we will test next if your forced defrost produces no heat from the element

p.s  i hope your skiny cause its tough gettin inside that freezer, but have faith, cause i think you had a first technician failure and not board failure

Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 29, 2009, 01:14:47 AM
btw, i have not explained any real test procedures yet

before i bother... do you know how to use a multimeter to test for voltage and continuity?

if not i can explain a simple defrost therm bypass test

but the meter test does all at once and is prefered
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 29, 2009, 01:39:58 AM
I'm sorry but I don't own a multimeter.  :(

But I was watching when the repairman was in the freezer and he seemed to determine the thermostat was bad by using a multimeter. I think I read the other day there is a forced defrost procedure by pressing the temp control buttons a certain way, I can't recall, but is that the alternate test procedure you mentioned?

And I also found it odd that the repairman tested the thermostat with a multimeter, then just slid out the control board and determined it was bad just by looking at it.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 29, 2009, 02:02:17 AM
the manual i sent describes the force defrost key combination, you must remove back panel of freezer then run force defrost from the controls for your first test

*note* the freezer must be cold still once freezer back is removed when you run the force defrost from the controls

quick explanation....  the defrost thermostat is closed when cold and allows the heater to get hot and melt the frost, once the heater gets hot enough(47 degrees i believe) it opens and turns off the heater

so if the freezer is not cold when you force defrost the heater wont come on cause the therm is open

so, back to the begining

remove freezer back while fridge is running, then do forced defrost while the fridge is on, check heater after 2 minutes and it should be hot to the touch(caution you might burn yourself)

post back once you do this

btw, when you force defrost the fridge should shut down(freezer fan and compressor)  make sure both are off, i have seen a few friggy fridges that had bad boards and ran the compressor during defrost, this causes frost build up even if the heater and therm are working

you can check the compressor to see if it is running by simply putting your hand on top and feeling for the slight vibration

you might have to buy a cheap multimeter and find or section on "how to use am meter" for future tests, but i will try easy tests that require no meter as long as i can till these are no longer usefull

But I was watching when the repairman was in the freezer and he seemed to determine the thermostat was bad by using a multimeter<---- if your fridge was warm at the time he should not have bothered to do this test cause the therm would test open
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 29, 2009, 02:33:33 AM
Wow, thats definitely a good start. The fridge was definitely warm when he tested.

And I will be doing these tests tomorrow. I just took off the back panel and the evaporator is all frozen up again, though the freezer was still maintaining -3F before I checked.

Thank you so much for taking all this time to write that out.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 29, 2009, 02:51:01 AM
I'm assuming the evaporator shouldn't look like this?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 29, 2009, 02:52:07 AM
i'll check your reply tomorrow eve

btw, its not every night i'm on these wee hours, i napped all afternoon/eve with my sick boy so wasn't tired, prolly pay for this in the mornin

after tests, place freezer back in its place but dont screw it back in cause i'll be askin you to do things back there

tomorrow make sure you purcase a few wire connectors if you dont have any, marettes or preferably crimp on wire connectors if you have the crimper

cause i will be asking you to cut and splice 2 wires for the next test if forced defrost provides no heat to the element

Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 29, 2009, 02:52:39 AM
nope, thats a defrost problem
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 29, 2009, 02:54:53 AM
give one more pic closer to the top, where the wires are going to the disk on the top evaporator tubing
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 29, 2009, 02:55:27 AM
i'll stay up a few more minutes if your still up
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 29, 2009, 03:01:09 AM
Hopefully these will do.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 29, 2009, 03:03:30 AM
Manual Defrost
Activation - Press and hold Freezer Temperature UP (WARMER) Key while
pressing the fresh food temperature DOWN (COLDER) key 5 times within 6
seconds.

try this and check the heater to see if it gets hot

 if not you will have to cut or jump out the defrost therm(disk with light blue and dark blue wires

Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 29, 2009, 03:08:12 AM
tag, your it
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 29, 2009, 03:10:34 AM
Yep, that's the sequence I saw a few days ago, but lost the website. I'll test that first thing tomorrow.

I'm usually up very late. It is just after 4 am right now, but since college classes ended last week, I just wake up late in the day since I'm pretty much a night owl anyway.  ;D

Splicing wires is a little scary, since I have very limited electrial components knowledge (I can put up a ceiling fan or light), but I am willing to try it if it saves us from having to pay a repairman.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 29, 2009, 03:16:12 AM
So it seems at this point, the problem can be one (or more) of three different things. Either a thermostat, heater element, or control board?

hmm, prices ranging from $12.50 for thermostat, $49.40 for heater element, or $129+ for control board. I'm rooting for the thermostat...lol
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 29, 2009, 03:24:18 AM
i am giving the (no insult intended) instructions for dummies

i will not instruct anything i think may bring you harm... hence the buy a few marettes comment, so go to any hardware stores and buy a few orange marettes tomorrow and we will try again

been here a few years and not to float my own boat but... there arn't many that are better at the friggy appliances than me, i have come to learn how to walk ppl as far as they can go without even using a meter, and you still have one more step before i say you need to use a meter or a different tech to give a second opinion

there is a pretty easy step to bypass that defrost therm that i can make safe, after that you need a meter to test the heater before i can say for sure you need to replace the board

 can tell from the picture the defrost therm has NOT been changed, so your last tech did not change that part, and this is the part i suspect to be your problem

i'd love to talk you into buying a cheap multi meter to test that defrost therm, this would save the cut/splice test and i can talk you through the test

this cheap meter can be used for many things in the future too

Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 29, 2009, 03:26:57 AM
but its bedtime for bonzo up here in canada too, i hqave a long country drive tomorrow and have a bad habit of sleeping on highway drives  :(
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 29, 2009, 03:29:51 AM
hmm, if I were to buy any cheap meters, do you know any good ones at Lowe's? I work there and get 10% off everything (including refrigerators, hehe *glares at broken fridge*), so I might be persuaded.

Have a good night...or morning and safe drive.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 29, 2009, 03:33:34 AM
oh, and yeah the tech never changed the thermostat. He first changed the board, then saw it didn't work and switched it back and then packed up and left so you deserve the service charge money more than he did at this point.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 29, 2009, 01:08:17 PM
Okay, just ran the defrost. Compressor and both fans turn off. When I first ran it, it did absolutely nothing. It displayed the d and f on the display, but the heater never heated up at any time during its cycle. I tried a second time and it worked perfectly. The heater turned a bright red (hopefully it was supposed to) and melted off almost all the ice. I decided I should try again as a control test. Doesn't heat up. But I don't know if this is due to it already being warm in the freezer or not.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 29, 2009, 04:36:05 PM
hmm, it already iced up again, but I think it may be because I left the rear freezer panel off? Anyway, I defrosted it again, and reattached the panel. For some reason now though the temp indicator said it was 75F when it was obviously about 45F, and now it says it is 0F when it is obviously warmer. I guess it just need to recalibrate itself? I will be back on here again in about 5-6 hours after work.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: JWWebster on May 29, 2009, 09:37:16 PM
OK what is the status?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 29, 2009, 10:10:54 PM
The correct temperatures are displaying now, according to a little special fridge/freezer thermometer we have.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 30, 2009, 06:13:23 PM
Can anyone tell me how long from a full defrost that the fridge should be able to keep cold? We are under strain here since we are not able to keep a lot of food in the house since we don't really know how long it will keep cold.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: jumptrout51 on May 30, 2009, 06:42:24 PM
It will defrost approximately twice in 24 hours. Each defrost cycle will last 30 minutes or less.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 30, 2009, 06:55:25 PM
I mean how long until the evaporator will freeze up to the point that it stops cooling? The defrost at this point does not work.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 30, 2009, 09:32:16 PM
it takes a few days before you lose cooling to the point food will spoil

your fridge has no set defrost times, it uses an adaptive defrost system that runs the defrost cycle based on compressor run times and door openings

you said forced defrost came on for you one time, is it not entering defrost when forced now?

btw, you have to replace the freezer back or the fridge will run constant cause air is not circulating properly, even if you just put one screw in to hold it in place, thats good enough

and one of your earlier questions... forced defrost will not work 2 times in a row, the defrost thermostat opens and turns off the heater at around 47 degrees, it must cool again before the heater can come on again

did the last technician have the control panel in the fresh food section apart at any time?  if so we need to check 2 wires in there that can mess up defrost if reversed

sorry i missed you yesterday, had a busy day and had to catch up on my sleep

i'll be on and off for a while yet tonight
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 30, 2009, 11:17:50 PM
The first time I tried it, it did not work for whatever reason, but after that cycle ended and I tried again, it worked. Later that night (about 6 hours later) when the evap was frozen again, I ran it again and it worked fine, so maybe I had the door open too long getting that panel off or whatever so maybe it was just on the edge of that cutoff temp where it won't run. but the heater works for sure (glowed bright red and melted the ice quickly).

The tech never accessed a back panel in the fresh food area, only the freezer, and never touched the wires other than with his meter.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 31, 2009, 02:03:49 AM
Also, if getting a meter is necessary, which of these do you think would be good? I would like to go as cheap as possible but still produce good results. lol

I ask now in case you answer by tomorrow afternoon before I leave for work. Then I can just buy it before I leave.

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=25730-85476-DM110-L&lpage=none

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=205783-72068-TK-30&lpage=none

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=76039-1781-GMT-12A&lpage=none

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=87143-1781-GDT-185A&lpage=none
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: whirlpooltech on May 31, 2009, 11:02:08 AM
I would avoid buying the analog meter.

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=76039-1781-GMT-12A&lpage=none

This autoranging one should get the job done.

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=25730-85476-DM110-L&lpage=none
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 31, 2009, 08:33:21 PM
Any particular reason why the analog tester is bad? I actually went ahead and bought it today after my shift (since it was the cheapest) and was going to return it the next time I went to work if it wasn't recommended. Is it not accurate enough for what I need it for?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: whirlpooltech on May 31, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
I just find it's easier to read a digital meter. Also a digital with auto ranging is easier to operate as you don't have to think about what scale to put the meter on.

A analog will work just find. I used one one daily many years ago, but why on earth anyone would by one now day's is beyond me. :)
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 31, 2009, 08:58:56 PM
hmm, I don't know now. I would really just be using this for this one job and anything that might pop up in the future, I don't see the point in spending any more on this if it will get the job done. I do agree though if I was using it daily or on a job digital and auto ranging would be a lot easier (just did a little reading up on it).
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 31, 2009, 09:21:19 PM
analog will suit your needs fine, just be carefull and check and double check you have it set for the correct reading  i.e voltage and continuity

hooking an analog meter up to voltage when it is set to read contiuity will blow the fuse in the meter

what is the status of the unit tonight?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 31, 2009, 09:24:19 PM
Still working. It was last defrosted Friday night, so I imagine it must be pretty iced up by now.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 31, 2009, 09:29:33 PM
you gonna be removing the back and running a defrost tonight yet?

or are you gonna wait till she starts to warm up first?

if you do run a defrost, snap another pic before you run defrost
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 31, 2009, 09:30:15 PM
i'd say leave it a couple more days before you run that defrost
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 31, 2009, 09:32:17 PM
I was planning on waiting for it to warm up just to see how long it can go.

Also, is there a way to edit posts?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 31, 2009, 09:36:35 PM
Unless you had wanted me to start checking things right away.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 31, 2009, 09:38:18 PM
top right hand corner of each post you make has the quote MODIFY remove tabs
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 31, 2009, 09:40:07 PM
your better leaving it till it warms

sounds like it has been defrosting when to force it, maybe you had a loose plug somewhere and the last tech corrected it

i see alot of loose plugs on the friggys
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 31, 2009, 09:44:18 PM
All I see in the top right is "quote"?

Would it be unwise to take off the back panel and seeing if it is iced up? I have gotten pretty quick at it so I wouldn't warm the freezer up too much.

Or maybe I better leave it alone. Yay, possible free fix trumps all others! lol
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: AJ on May 31, 2009, 09:55:20 PM
All I see in the top right is "quote"?


Regular members don't get to remove or modify there post like the "AJ Team" members do, sorry. :)
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 31, 2009, 09:57:06 PM
ok, maybe only us techs can edit

you can check to see if the unit has defrosted without removing the back panel, just shine a flashlight in the vents at the bottom of the back panel

a small amount of frost is always present during normal operation

you can also let the board tell you if the fridge has defrosted, its explained in the manual i sent you the link for, this is the best way for you to test as it gives me more info to work with

these are the numbers that can help us out if you start to ice up again

Minimum, maximum and average Freezer temperatures, last 24 hours
Minimum, maximum and average Fresh Food temperatures, last 24 hours
Indicate an open or shorted sensor condition
Indicates if defrost occurred in the last 72 hours
Number of defrosts, last 72 hours
How long the last defrost was
Number of compressor cycles, last 24 hours

the board will tell you all of this, might wanna browse the manual for the test procedure, these tests you can do without picking up a screwdriver or even putting down your beer   O0
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 31, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
I browsed through that part of the manual. I'll go through those an report back if there is ice build up/.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on May 31, 2009, 10:04:06 PM
one last thing for tonight then

other things that can cause an adaptive defrost fridge to build excessive frost even though all defrost components are working
poor sealing door gaskets
light switch not turning off lights(but i believe yours will beep door open after "X" minutes and shut off lights
and the last one that got me one time.... an ice maker plumbed to HOT water insead of cold
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 31, 2009, 10:07:26 PM
It is a frozen block of ice from what I can see thtough the vents. I cant even see the fins.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 31, 2009, 10:09:02 PM
Door gaskets look to be in good condition.
Light does turn off. And yeah, it does beep after a few minutes.
Well, I guess the water is cold since the drinking water isn't hot.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on May 31, 2009, 10:54:45 PM
Okay, I went ahead and took the back panel off and snapped this picture. I did it in record time too. So defrost isn't working. I will run those test as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 01, 2009, 12:10:12 AM
okay, test is done. Got some really odd answers.

Freezer temps last 24 hours:
Minimum= -8
Maximum= 86
Average= 0
Sensor OK

Fresh food temps last 24 hours:
Minimum= 0
Maximum= 71
Average= 32
Sensor OK

Number of defrosts last 72 hours
Defrosts= 4
Duration in minutes= 0
Variable 3 turns on the defrost. The service manual says
Quote
If current flow to heater is sensed, the letter ‘D’ will be displayed. If no current flow
is sensed, the letter ‘D’ will flash.
The D was flashing...


Compressor Test
Run time percentage in last 72 hours= 59
# of compressor cycles in last 24 hours= 24
Variable 3 indicated 0 which means I have a standard speed compressor
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 01, 2009, 12:17:11 AM
Ok, my fridge just went back in time because I went through it again and compressor cycles now say 23?  :2funny: Everthing else remained the same.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 01, 2009, 07:44:25 PM
I just looked at run time percentage on the compressor again and it is reporting 91%, so I guess that means the compressor is having to work a lot harder with the evap frozen up?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 01, 2009, 08:16:34 PM
that evap is not all that "frozen up" but the board indicates the heater is not comming on during defrost by the 0 minute duration

you need to test the defrost therm while it is cold and see if it is closed, i suspect you will find it open in which case the board will think defrost is done cause of the open therm and restart the compressor

while all is cold and frosted, initiate defrost and make sure it flashes the "D"  if it does unplug fridge, disconnect the white/red connector between the element and therm(one meter probe goes in the white connector) then unplug the large connector on the back wall(other meter probe goes in the terminal for the light blue wire from the therm)

you should get continuity reading on the meter
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 01, 2009, 08:18:47 PM
How do I go about testing the defrost thermostat?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 01, 2009, 08:22:05 PM
just modified my last post with test instructions
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 01, 2009, 08:28:25 PM
post back findings, i'll pop back in a while

we just had a lovely 5 minute hail storm and i need to go see how much of my flattened garden i can salvage  :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 01, 2009, 08:39:44 PM
Ok, should be able to do it within the hour.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 01, 2009, 09:46:25 PM
Tested thermostat. There is no continuity.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 01, 2009, 09:56:47 PM
Also, the evap is twice as frozen as last night. I have a pic if you want. The temp was actually starting to go up in freezer and fridge just before I started this. Should I force a manual defrost now or is there anything else you need me to do while it is frosted?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: MajorApp on June 01, 2009, 10:07:01 PM
 :coffee: :popcorn: :)
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 01, 2009, 10:18:47 PM
 :ahhh:
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 01, 2009, 10:56:32 PM
ugh...

ok. Well I decided to check it again because I'm paranoid and am always doubting myself.

Well. I skipped the step of letting enter defrost mode via the test mode (where I would see the flashing D). Well now the thermostat DOES have continuity (it was all icy around the thermostat just like it was before). I plug the fridge back in and go to that test mode, and now the D DOES NOT flash like it did before. So what is going on with this?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 02, 2009, 12:17:38 AM
Okay, now the defroster is running on it's own. Everything shut off and the defroster is now lit up melting the ice on it's own.  :D
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 02, 2009, 06:20:02 PM
And now it seems to be freezing up again from what I can see from the vents. Could a failing thermostat work intermittently?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 02, 2009, 08:40:36 PM
the therm usually works or doesn't
sorry if i ask instead of reading back but are you sure the fan by the compressor is turning and there is no buildup of lint etc on the condensor by that fan?
your frost patern looks "loose" which indicates a possible weak compressor, but there is no way i can instruct you to test for this, also all your door opening from repeated checks could cause this loose frost as well
the defrost therm is less than 20 dollars and takes minutes to change, and it comes with instructions, you might want to change it out just to be certain it is not the fault
boards are more likely to be intermittent than the therm, but the therm is alot cheaper so i suggest you start there
if you do change the therm.... dont open the fridge unless you are getting something to eat/drink   
remember what i said earlier.... your fridge decides when to defrost based on door openings and run time, your constant checks are going to increase defrost times beyond the norm

Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 02, 2009, 09:28:11 PM
True. I was opening the freezer door a lot. As well as the fresh food door a crack to see the temp.

I looked at the compressor last week and vacuumed out the condenser coils as well. The fan was working.

A few minutes ago I tried a forced defrost again using the freezer up once and fresh food button down 5 times method. Didn't work. Tried it again. Didn't work. Went to the test mode and tried it from there. The D is now flashing again instead of solid.

About replacing the thermostat, the service manual says that the part comes with solderless connectors and heatshrink material. How do I use that heat shrink without a heat gun? Does a hair dryer work on that?

Also, do you recommend any place in particular to order it from?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 02, 2009, 09:40:50 PM
the heat shrink in the kit is junk, its oversized for the wires and doesn't seal, just throw it away, you have alot of unsealed connections in there, your crimp connectors will make no difference

as for ordering, i have read the part place this site suggests has very quick delivery if you do not have a local appliance part distributor

i'd have to leave this question up to my fellow american techs, i'm in canada so all my parts are delivered by dog sled straight to my igloo

Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 02, 2009, 09:54:31 PM
Let me ask as well, what exactly does that flashing D mean? I know it means (according to the service manual) that no current flowed is sensed, but can you tell me anything further than that? Something to do with the thermostat or other electronics within the fridge?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 02, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
all it means is the board sences that even though the fridge is trying to defrost no current is going through the circuit

this can be caused by a bad heater(which is not your case cause you said yours glowed and a heater works or doesn't, never do they go intermittent)
bad thermostat which i guess might go intermittent(cant think of one i have ever seen that was)
or bad board(just because the board says "lets defrost" and closes a relay to power the defrost circuit, it can only tell if the circuit draws current, the board cant tell if the relay actually closed(relays can burn contacts and become intermittent))
lastly... a broken wire or bad connection anywhere between the board and the defrost components inside the freezer(this i have seen a handfull of times too)  and short of drilling holes and running new wires it is not repairable
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 02, 2009, 10:38:10 PM
all it means is the board sences that even though the fridge is trying to defrost no current is going through the circuit

this can be caused by a bad heater(which is not your case cause you said yours glowed and a heater works or doesn't, never do they go intermittent)
bad thermostat which i guess might go intermittent(cant think of one i have ever seen that was)
or bad board(just because the board says "lets defrost" and closes a relay to power the defrost circuit, it can only tell if the circuit draws current, the board cant tell if the relay actually closed(relays can burn contacts and become intermittent))
lastly... a broken wire or bad connection anywhere between the board and the defrost components inside the freezer(this i have seen a handfull of times too)  and short of drilling holes and running new wires it is not repairable


 :'( ...Thanks for scaring me with that last one about the broken wire and what not..lol. I was wondering if something like that was happening here since after moving the wires around that big plug and around the thermostat that it defrosted on its own.

So once I get that thermostat put in, and if it still doesn't work, are there any other places to look at after that or do we go straight to replacing the control board? 
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 02, 2009, 11:10:40 PM
change the therm and there will be a couple more tests

for power to the plug on the back wall and power from the board(this test will tell if it is the relay on the board or a broken wire)

if you have trouble after the therm change post me your complete model and serial number, you have me curious as to why friggy changed boards that affect the UI, with the serial number i can call the engineers to see if maybe they will tell me the exact reason for the change

but i wouldn't hold your breath on that answer, we are not responsible for injury or death to users of the forum  :P

Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 02, 2009, 11:15:34 PM
Good.

I will be ordering the thermostat tomorrow.

Thanks again for your help.  8)
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 03, 2009, 12:27:06 AM
AppliancePartsPros has it for $12.05+$6.95 shipping.

The Lowe's parts vendor has it for $14.87+ $7.99 shipping. But I do get a substantial discount since I am an employee [I have previously ordered a glass cooktop replacement for our stove that was $178 and $148 after my discount]. So I'll be able to see which one is cheaper when I call them tomorrow. But I have a feeling AppliancePartsPros might still be cheaper.

It would be better if I knew what kind of places locally would keep this part in stock, but I wouldn't know where to begin to find that out.

BTW, I think this thread might win the title for most posts mainly between 2 people in this forum's history.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 03, 2009, 02:54:49 PM
The part is ordered. It should arrive in 2 days.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 05, 2009, 02:06:36 PM
Part arrived. But I now realize I have no idea how to use a crimp-on connector. I have one of these things: http://www.crazypc.com/images/accessories/toolkit/wirestripper.jpg

I guess I just squeeze the connector using the top part of those pliers?

Sorry for such a basic question.   :embarassed:
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 05, 2009, 10:07:54 PM
yup, just squeeze em on the connector, then give a lil tug on the wire to make sure its secure, if the wire does pull out it was not on tight enough

but.... if it does pull out, you wont get the wire in a second time and you have to go out and buy another connector
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 05, 2009, 10:22:23 PM
Ok then. If I mess it up I can pick them up tomorrow. Should I leave all the wire intact on both the fridge side and thermostat side, or should it be shortened any?
I figure it would be okay to leave it all but I thought I would ask.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 06, 2009, 01:21:50 AM
Okay, the thermostat is on.  It didn't really take long at all. The crimps held nice and tight. You were exactly right about those shrink tubes that were included. I used a hair dryer and they shrunk immediately but stopped shrinking right before they were supposed to. They slipped right off the crimps (You can see the differnece in size between the crimp and shrink in one of the pictures). So I just wrapped up the edges in electrical tape. I felt better knowing they were sealed. Anyway, I guess I'll see tomorrow if it worked if there is a lot of ice on it or not. Here are some pics. I'm actually proud of it. lol

Here are some pics I took:
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 07, 2009, 09:13:21 PM
Update:

I took a peek through the vents at the bottom, but I can't tell if it is a light frost or ice, but I don't want to start taking off the panel and looking now and making it worse.

In test mode, I am happy to report that it shows that it has been defrosting (whether it actually HAS or not has yet to be determined). It shows in the last 72 hours (or since Friday night when I had it unplugged changing out the therm) that it has defrosted twice. First time showed that the duration was 8 minutes, the latest time was 9 minutes. Also, the D no longer flashes.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 07, 2009, 09:15:00 PM
argh, I hate having no edit button. In addition to my last post, I wanted to know what a normal evaporator that defrosts on its own is supposed to look like? How thick of a frost is supposed to be on it? Anyone have a picture?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 07, 2009, 10:18:14 PM
thats a tough one dude, frost pattern varies, depends if you look 1 hour or 7 hours after the last defrost

your diagnostics sound promissing, i'm hoping for the best for you, cause that NLA board i have....  well its not sitting on my desk where it was this morning before my aquarium society meeting  :thinking:  and i have a 4 and 2 year old  :tickedoff:

but its prolly around somewhere

and for your earlier comment, its funny you said that cause i was gonna ask AJ if we broke a record for the longest thread  :P
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 07, 2009, 10:20:38 PM
Would it be beneficial to take the panel off and see whats going on now? It's been what, 48 hours?
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 07, 2009, 10:22:56 PM
Oh yes. I tend to have that effect on message boards. You should have seen my "How do I change my own spark plugs?" and "how to change my own oil?" threads on other boards. lol About twice as long as this one. But I always follow through with the job and get it done.
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 08, 2009, 08:43:13 PM
*smacks fingers*  no touchie

remember, door openings cause frost build up, give it time, wait a few days
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 08, 2009, 09:36:03 PM
Alright, I guess I'll resist the urge. :'(

It is now reporting 4 defrosts, last one lasting 10 minutes. It seems to do it at about 3am so I always miss it. I've been wanting to try and hear any water dripping. Anyway, tomorrow will be day 4 since I fully defrosted it on Friday, which is typically when I start seeing the temps rise, so I'll keep you updated.

I still wonder why the repair guy was so quick to replace the board, without even trying the thermostat.

So far I have worked on our Frigidaire refrigerator and stove. The dishwasher will most likely be next, lol. Are Frigidaires typically repair prone? Our last set of appliances lasted 10 years, and all still working when we moved from the house and left them. All Whirpool appliances. The refrigerator was actually even older, more like 15 years old, never needed anything done to it (although the bottom hinge on the door was starting to break)
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 08, 2009, 10:44:50 PM
well i do friggy warranty, so i see more friggy than anything so its hard to say personally

i have a friggy sxs, i bought mine after it was exchanged for a small crack in the inner liner, 6 years and all i have done is.... the defrost therm
my washer needs a back bearing soon, after the same 6 years(i dont use HE soap)
and my dryer needs glides soon cause its ripping clothes, had it 4 years
all friggys

hrm!!!!

and my d/w is a 20+ year old maytag, never replaced it yet cause i've never had to do more to it than change the belt, and ive had it for almost 15 years

as for why your tech dropped the ball, he is obviously not familiar with the product, cause no friggy needs codes entered after board changes(think thats a maytag thing)

a tech from where i work had the same problem with always changing parts in fridges with bad DTS(luckily he retired)
its a simple switch and easy to test, so i just dont get it, shesh
 i taught a guy that has never owned a meter before and has to ask how to change the oil in his car how to diagnose one and change it, over the internet  :rofl:

just playin with you dude, no insult was intended, you've done great, hell, better than your last technician,  luckily he wasn't a true monkey brothers parts changing monkey and gave up after the first failed attempt

as my signature says....  the only stupid question, is the one not asked





Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 08, 2009, 11:37:35 PM
lol, thanks. No insult taken. As for the oil changing, I was 16 (or maybe 17) at the time and technically my dads car so I just wanted to make sure. Next thing for me to learn is replacing disc brakes (I don't even want to learn about drums, too complicated).

He was going to change the thermostat, but decided to do the board first. I saw the thermostat he was going to use. It didn't even look like it was for a Frigidaire. It had red wires with a strange shaped clear plastic housing I think. From now on, if I want something done right, I'll just do it myself...Unless it scares me, then I'll just ask online.  :P

Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 08, 2009, 11:46:00 PM
disk brake rule 1
don't accidently press brake peddle while caliiper is off, the piston pops out
took forever to get the sucker back in  :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 12, 2009, 09:52:38 PM
Seems to still be going well after 1 week now. The fact that the temperature hasn't risen is enough to confirm that I guess.

Thanks for everything and all your responses to my crazy questions!
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: BrntToast on June 12, 2009, 10:41:12 PM
glad to have helped

next time ask here first, pay a tech after you give up
not ask here after you pay a tech to give up  :rofl:
Title: Re: Frigidaire Refrigerator
Post by: Rogue on June 13, 2009, 01:38:36 AM
I'll be sure to follow that advice. I still have a Frigidaire oven, microwave, and dishwasher to ask questions about when they break.  :2funny:

I'm kind of sad I have nothing to talk about here anymore. Oh well, until next time!