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Title: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: no user name on April 07, 2009, 05:19:37 AM
I have this Hotpoint (http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?topic=1310) model too. The compressor kicks on and cycles off but the refrigerator will not get any colder than 50 degrees. And the freezer freezes ice in time but will not maintain ice cream. The freezer is set on the lowest now and the fridge is currently on 7 though I've had it at various points on that spectrum.

Background info:
I bought the unit used one week ago and it hasn't worked properly from the beginning. It had been unplugged for quite some time prior to my purchase. Now the "nice" lady won't answer or return my calls.

Is this the defrost timer as well or any other ideas?
Thank you

Model HTS20GBNCWW
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Al Capone on April 07, 2009, 05:36:17 AM
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Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Mr. Fix-It on April 07, 2009, 06:57:06 AM
If the compressor is shutting of and proper fridge temp is not maintained I would suspect the refridgerator control to be the problem, part # WR17X11371
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: JWWebster on April 07, 2009, 08:57:02 AM
make sure the fan motor is turning down by the compressor. If the compressor feels hot then the relay may be bad. The relay mounted on the compressor may be sticking since it has not been run in a long time. I keep a hard start on me to check these things out but I try to replace the relays with the original parts.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: jumptrout51 on April 07, 2009, 09:19:48 AM
Check the evaporator fan motor in the freezer. Is it running?
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: no user name on April 08, 2009, 01:23:16 AM
All the fans appear to be working fine.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Repair-man on April 08, 2009, 05:40:08 AM
She does not accept your phone calls....nice lady already knew the box had problems.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: no user name on April 08, 2009, 05:55:32 AM
She does not accept your phone calls....nice lady already knew the box had problems.

Have to wonder! She's not hurting either. I'm disabled, having to purchase used appliances and she's loaded!
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Repair-man on April 08, 2009, 06:12:02 AM
It's a shame what folks will do sometimes...at any rate, to determine if you have a serious problem with the unit, a technician might first have a look in the freezer section where the cooling coils are located. Since you maintain that the temps on the fresh food side are high, yet the freezer seems semi-normal, one might suspect 2 possible causes.

1. Defrost problem  (coils covered in thick frost)
2. Sealed system problem  (poor or partial frost pattern on coil)

The first one is simple to resolve in most cases, but a sealed system issue means expensive repair work and is beyond the value of this model. If you can get to the evaporator coil in the freezer and look at it yourself, you might report back the findings.

Also be sure the unit has a cover on the back where the compressor is, or it can cause the unit to run warm.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Mr. Fix-It on April 08, 2009, 08:07:51 AM
I think there is a lot of confusing advice being given here considering in the original post the customer says that the compressor is cycling on and off. This being the case I would say the problem lies in the refrigerator control as I stated in my first post. The only acception is if when the compressor turns off does the freezer fan turn off as well if so then you have a bad control.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: no user name on April 09, 2009, 04:54:21 AM
I think there is a lot of confusing advice being given here considering in the original post the customer says that the compressor is cycling on and off. This being the case I would say the problem lies in the refrigerator control as I stated in my first post. The only acception is if when the compressor turns off does the freezer fan turn off as well if so then you have a bad control.

I finally unplugged it but that sounds about right...when the compressor cycled off, the freezer fan stopped as well.
So if it is indeed the control, what can I do?
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Mr. Fix-It on April 09, 2009, 07:16:27 AM
You need to replace the control (thermostat) inside the fridge its the part connected to the knob you turn to set the temperature. You can find your part by putting your model # in the box to the left on this page. Good luck
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Repair-man on April 09, 2009, 07:20:50 AM
How about this first....since Mr Fixit deems the control to be bad, you can always test this theory by accessing the thermostat control and hooking the 2 wires together for 24 hours. The unit will cool constantly and will even go thru a defrost cycle. After 24 hours, you can determine if the box is actually cooling by measuring the temps. Then you can order a control if the box cooled down properly. If not, you have other issues.

The control is located above the temperature knob in the housing, as shown in the diagram below. (#620). The current thermostat part number is WR17X11371

Diagram of your model: HTS20GBNCWW
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Mr. Fix-It on April 09, 2009, 12:55:39 PM
Well Repair-man with your vast experience maybe you know something I don't. I thought that if there was a sealed system problem or frosted coils (defrost problem) the compressor and or freezer fan would run continuiosly and not cycle on and off besides when the fridge goes into defrost. (Every 8 hours or so). Please enlighten me as to the other causes of these symptoms where the compressor and freezer fan cycle on and off before the fridge acheives proper temp. without it being the control.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Repair-man on April 09, 2009, 05:33:39 PM
I have vast experience at sarcasm too, but I try to avoid it around here.


I don't see where the gentleman said the unit cycled off normally...how do you know it was not in defrost when it did so? Only when he unplugged it did the fans and compressor shut off at the same time. I expect we need a little clarification from the person who made the topic.. a Mr. NO Name

We are obviously not getting the whole picture here...
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: JWWebster on April 09, 2009, 07:28:19 PM
You might have a bad condenser motor, if it feels hot to the touch it may be intermittantly stoping and that would cause those  problems.You said the ice box had been sitting up in storage. Who knows, it might just fix itself, given time.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: no user name on April 10, 2009, 05:05:25 AM
I have vast experience at sarcasm too, but I try to avoid it around here.


I don't see where the gentleman said the unit cycled off normally...how do you know it was not in defrost when it did so? Only when he unplugged it did the fans and compressor shut off at the same time. I expect we need a little clarification from the person who made the topic.. a Mr. NO Name

We are obviously not getting the whole picture here...


I'm not sure if I understand your question. But, I would hear the compressor kick on from the other room periodically, nothing that seemed out of the ordinary. The times that I had heard the compressor and had the FREEZER door open, I could hear that fan blowing too. 
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Repair-man on April 10, 2009, 05:58:10 AM
Ok, so to make things clear in our minds, can you say that the compressor could be heard cycling off even when the freezer fan was still running?  What we are trying to establish here is either a cold control problem or a compressor that is cutting out. If it is indeed a cold control problem as MR Fixit suggests, this could be further exemplified by the fans cycling off at the same time as the compressor.

If it is just the compressor doing the cycling and the fans remain on, you have other problems. Do the fans stop when the compressor does or not?
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: no user name on April 10, 2009, 07:17:54 PM
Ok, so to make things clear in our minds, can you say that the compressor could be heard cycling off even when the freezer fan was still running?  What we are trying to establish here is either a cold control problem or a compressor that is cutting out. If it is indeed a cold control problem as MR Fixit suggests, this could be further exemplified by the fans cycling off at the same time as the compressor.

If it is just the compressor doing the cycling and the fans remain on, you have other problems. Do the fans stop when the compressor does or not?


No, I'd have to say that the compressor and fan cycle on and off as a team...when one stops so does the other and when one kicks on the other does too.
I'll plug 'er back in just to be good n sure. But I do seem to recall that when I had the freezer door open when the compressor was indeed running, there was cold winds blowing from the freezer vent which would indicate that fan running at the same time.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Mr. Fix-It on April 11, 2009, 07:18:58 AM
The important point is weather the fan shuts OFF when the compressor does this would zero in on the control.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: no user name on April 15, 2009, 05:24:18 AM
The important point is weather the fan shuts OFF when the compressor does this would zero in on the control.

I plugged the fridge back in the other day. First point is that the compressor and freezer fan do indeed run simultaneously.

   This time I turned the control to off before plugging it in. Immediately after plugging it in I set the control to number 6 on the refrigerator dial and number 1 on the freezer. Within 5 hours it had cooled to around 42 degrees, freezer was about 15. During periodic checks, I believe the compressor and fan continually ran without ceasing during this period.

Eventually the compressor and fan turned off and the fridge bounces back and forth between 42 and 44 degrees. I then turned the dial up one number to 7 and it still stands at about 44 degrees.

ONE POINT I FORGOT LAST TIME:

This latest time and the previous time, at some point when the compressor and fan had finally cycled off for a while and the unit had settled in at whatever temp it was going to settle at, there is a "click click click click..." (actually more like a "grr, grr, grr, grr..." if that matters) reminiscent to the beat of a traditional egg timer coming from the ceiling of the refrigerator section at or around the control. This is only obvious when the door is open. I put my hand against the refrigerator control knob and interior light area and could feel the vibration coinciding with this noise.

This noise continues on for a considerable period of time and then stops on it's own at some point, apparently.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Repair-man on April 15, 2009, 05:31:22 AM
That clicking sound was probably the old defrost timer, which is in that control panel. Every 8 hours, it will shut down the compressor so the evap can thaw out.

If you can only get 42 degrees from the thing, you might as well throw it out in the garage for a beer cooler, as it likely has issues requiring service & money.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: no user name on April 15, 2009, 06:33:04 AM
That clicking sound was probably the old defrost timer, which is in that control panel. Every 8 hours, it will shut down the compressor so the evap can thaw out.

If you can only get 42 degrees from the thing, you might as well throw it out in the garage for a beer cooler, as it likely has issues requiring service & money.


I just paid $300 for it...I will not be throwing it away! Previously it was suggested that it could be the control/thermostat and you mentioned joining the wires for 24 hours to determine whether or not this was the problem, what made you change your mind over to the unit being a total loss now?


Keep in mind, I couldn't get it below 48-50 the last time so it is maintaining a cooler temperature this time around. 
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Mr. Fix-It on April 15, 2009, 06:42:09 AM
Try it you got nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: no user name on April 15, 2009, 06:48:40 AM
That clicking sound was probably the old defrost timer, which is in that control panel. Every 8 hours, it will shut down the compressor so the evap can thaw out.

Just noticed that the compressor and fan are running AND that clicking noise is happening at the same time. Would it be defrosting at the same time as it's cooling?
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: Repair-man on April 15, 2009, 06:56:19 AM
The timer runs 24/7, regardless of whether it's cooling or defrosting. If the noise annoys you, replace the timer.

Part number is WR55X10229
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: no user name on April 15, 2009, 04:39:10 PM
The timer runs 24/7, regardless of whether it's cooling or defrosting. If the noise annoys you, replace the timer.

Part number is WR55X10229 if you can still find one...


Noise doesn't annoy me, I'm providing as many details as possible up front for someone to determine whether or not it has to do with the cooling issue.

So, the timer runs "24/7" but is only audible for short periods.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: jumptrout51 on April 15, 2009, 04:48:18 PM
Do a amp draw reading at the incoming power supply and a separate reading at the compressor and let us know what they are.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: JWWebster on April 15, 2009, 06:46:57 PM
I bet the dang thang finally settles down and runs right after setting up a while.
Title: Re: Hotpoint Refrigerator Not Cooling
Post by: no user name on February 06, 2010, 04:44:36 AM
I bet the dang thang finally settles down and runs right after setting up a while.


JW, your bet was correct. Thing's been working fine for several months now. Thanks for your help.