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Title: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 10, 2007, 06:08:30 PM
I have a whirlpool LXR7144EQ1 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252Fpartsearch%252Fmodel.aspx%253Fmodel_id%253D257299&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fpartsearch%252Fmodel.aspx%253Fmodel_id%253D257299), and it agitates and spins sometimes, and other times it dosen't. When the washer goes from the fill into agitate sometimes I get a slight humming and a smell of something overheating, then I hear a click (I'm assuming a thermal breaker) and the wahser stops. If I wait a little while it may or may not agitate, I've checked the lid switch, ohmed the motor out and inspected the coupler. A few months ago I had to replace the pump due to a leak (thanks for the pics) and I had to clean quite a bit of rust from the motor shaft, maybe a bad bearing or something?

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Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 13, 2007, 06:44:40 PM
After a few days of arguing with the machine, to no avail, I decided to use it again. It worked, until it ran through the agitate cycle. Then like before it just stopped, wouldn't drain and unlike times before wouldn't come back on when I let it cool down. My wife has been pleading for me to just give up on it, though I just can't make myself. It has become a mission to me, I must find out what has driven this machine, and myself mad. 
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 13, 2007, 06:47:30 PM
Hi,

Sorry for the late reply. I seem to have missed this one when you first posted.

When you replaced the water pump how did the motor shaft look?

Sometime if the water pumps have been leaking for some time water will run up the motor shaft and raise hell with the motor.

If this is the case the water pumps are often hard to get off as the motor shaft is all rusted up.

It does sound like your motor is kicking out on the built in over load.

Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 13, 2007, 08:34:01 PM
Rusty, there was quite a bit of cleaning to be done, and I did lubricate the motor in order for it to spin more freely. However, the pump really wasn't all that hard to remove.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 13, 2007, 09:20:31 PM
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Then like before it just stopped, wouldn't drain and unlike times before wouldn't come back on when I let it cool down.

If you have power to the motor but it will not run then you will need to replace the motor.

You could also remove the pump from the motor. Remove the motor from the transmission and run just the motor to see if it still gets hot and cuts out durning the agitation cycle.

If the motor still gets hot and cuts out without being connected to anything then you have a bad motor.

Here is the motor for the LXR7144EQ1 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252Fpartsearch%252Fmodel.aspx%253Fmodel_id%253D257299&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fpartsearch%252Fmodel.aspx%253Fmodel_id%253D257299) washer.

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How old is the washer?
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 13, 2007, 09:26:00 PM
Not sure how old it is, I bought it from a buddy of mine. Thanks, I'll try that this weekend and see what I can come up with. Have you seen a motor test good with the ohm meter and then turn out to be bad?
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 13, 2007, 09:30:07 PM
Have you seen a motor test good with the ohm meter and then turn out to be bad?

Yep, sure have.

Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 13, 2007, 09:32:49 PM
You may want to also check for bad connections on the motor plug.

A bad connection would make the motor not run, but would not make it get hot and cut out.

Just something else that is quick and easy to check while your looking at the motor again.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 13, 2007, 09:38:50 PM
Thanks!
I'll check that too, although nothing appeared to be loose the first few times I checked it. I wiggled them all and everything appeared tight and secure.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 15, 2007, 08:06:42 PM
Okay so after my wife pleaded with me again, I replaced this machine. I went with a Whirlpool Duet HT. She seems to like it and from posts which I read here it seems to be a good choice. However, now more than ever I am on a mission to repair the old machine. So as not to hear "I told you so" from the wife.
Can I test the motor function with the water lines disconnected? Or should I run them to the water hose or something like that. I'm sure that now the new machine is in place, she isn't going to let me move it. Not to mention that sucker is heavy!
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 15, 2007, 08:18:24 PM
The Whirlpool Duet HT is a awesome washer.
It would be great if you or even your wife would post a review of the washer after you get a chance to use it some.


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Can I test the motor function with the water lines disconnected?

To run the motor during the agitate cycle without water you would have to fool the water level switch into thinking the washer was full of water.

It may just be easier to fill it full of water.

I think your really going to like that new Duet washer and I would love to hear your thought on it after you have used it some.




Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 15, 2007, 08:26:26 PM
Sure, we would be happy to give a review. Maybe it's just the excitement of the new washer but she's glowing over it.
Tomorrow I will fill it with water and do the motor test on the old machine. I'll post it, and go from there.
Thanks for all the help!
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 15, 2007, 08:31:33 PM
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Sure, we would be happy to give a review.
  O0

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Maybe it's just the excitement of the new washer but she's glowing over it.
  :)

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Tomorrow I will fill it with water and do the motor test on the old machine. I'll post it, and go from there.
Thanks for all the help!

Sounds great, will be watching for your post to see what you find.



Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 16, 2007, 03:27:24 PM
I filled the tub with my water hose and then sent the washer into agitation, to which it worked fine. Then I advanced it and let it drain then spin, all fine. So, I then connected the water hose to the inlet on the rear of the washer. It filled fine just as before, and then when it became time to agitate, the brakes were put on. No agitate, and even after I let the tub drain out and advanced the timer, no spin. I took a video of it but it is too large to attach it. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 16, 2007, 03:55:11 PM
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I took a video of it but it is too large to attach it.

You can click the Youtube link in my sig line and upload your video to Youtube for us to see.

Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 16, 2007, 03:55:31 PM
I got frustrated with the file type and size so I uploaded it to youtube. Here's the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--nyKUBQKFo
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 16, 2007, 03:59:09 PM
I went the round about way but it's there, and that's the important thing.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 16, 2007, 04:01:38 PM
Great video clip, thank for uploading it on youtube so we could see it.

Sounds like the motor is stuck or just bad.

I would remove the pump from the motor and then remove the motor from the gearbox.
Leave the motor wire harness plugged in. See if the motor still just hums and cuts out.

If it does then replace the motor.

If the motor runs fine when it's not connected to the pump or gearbox then the pump or gearbox maybe turning hard making the motor kick out on the over load.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 16, 2007, 04:08:20 PM
Just tried it and the motor runs fine with it off of the gearbox.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 16, 2007, 04:27:28 PM
I tried manually turning the shaft which connects from the gearbox to the coupler, and I could barely move it. It's a puzzler!
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 16, 2007, 05:30:16 PM
Now that it has cooled down, the shaft which goes to the gearbox turns remarkably easy. And, as so noted once I reconnected everything it worked fine.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 16, 2007, 06:14:09 PM
Now that it has cooled down, the shaft which goes to the gearbox turns remarkably easy. And, as so noted once I reconnected everything it worked fine.

The motor shaft or the shaft on the gearbox itself?
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 16, 2007, 06:22:24 PM
The shaft of the gearbox itself.
It's odd though, I know that metals expand with heat, do you think it is not lubricated enough? Or maybe, the fluid needs to be changed, that is if you can, and are supposed to change it.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 16, 2007, 06:39:09 PM
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Or maybe, the fluid needs to be changed, that is if you can, and are supposed to change it.

I have never repaired a gearbox. We always just replace them with a new one.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 16, 2007, 06:45:25 PM
I can't exactly blame you there. In my case though I'm mainly trying to fix this machine to stay away from those three dreaded words every husband knows....."I told you so!" I might get adventurous and take it apart.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 16, 2007, 06:49:13 PM
I know you can get parts for the gearboxs, we just don't bother to repair them.

If you do decide to take it apart let us know what you find.

Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 16, 2007, 07:42:50 PM
When I tear the old one down what weight case oil should I use 90W? I'll have my son take video of it, that puppy is coming apart!
However, if for some reason I find the damage to be irrperable and must replace my gearbox, do you know if my washer is a neutral or spin drain? LXR7144EQ1
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 17, 2007, 06:39:40 PM
Would love to see the video.

Like I said I had never repaired a gearcase before, so I ased another tech (redbeard) about the oil.

This is what he had to say.

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Heavy Duty gear oil or Part# 350572 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM0=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-gear-case-oil-item-number-ap3072960.aspx%253Fpn_%253D350572&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252FAppliance-Parts%252Fwhirlpool-gear-case-oil-item-number-ap3072960.aspx%253Fpn_%253D350572) is 16oz gearcase oil. The guy's transmission probably needs Part# 388253 (http://appliancejunk.com/388253) Neutral Pak.



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Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 23, 2007, 03:14:24 PM
I finally had some time to tinker with the washer again and I found my clutch/agitator dogs to be missing. Here's the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB-G-9MnpJw
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 23, 2007, 03:17:23 PM
That's great!
Glad to hear you found the trouble.


Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on December 23, 2007, 06:11:38 PM
I've ordered the neutral pak for my gearcase, I'm just waiting for it to arrive. I really believe that a combination of the said pak and the new dogs, my problems will be solved.

Once I get the parts in I'll have my son video it and post them.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on December 23, 2007, 06:20:19 PM
Sounds great,
I will be looking forward to seeing the video.

Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on January 06, 2008, 08:06:16 PM
Finally, I received my parts! Those darn holidays sure do throw the parcel services off! I drained the oil out of the gearcase first so as not to bore, and found the oil drain pan to be a nice platform for the gearcase. My son shot the vid, so it's a little shaky but he's 11 and was pretty eager to help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNcObb1iLZA

Once the top was off and the gears were exposed it went as planned, I did find that holding the shaft helped a little with the disassembly process when removing the gear. I did not see any visible damage to the parts however I changed them anyhow. After I located the X on the main drive gear I chose the correct plate furnished in the kit, used the large pawl stud and assembled the neutral pak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcpFbedx04U

After a little bit of trial and error I was able to get the gear back as it was. I then installed it along with new agitator dogs, and I put in a new coupler for the heck of it, put the motor, pump, and cabinet back on and... Voila! Success! It worked, no strange noises, no unusual pauses, just a washer that worked as it did before! OH HAPPY DAY!!!! Even though I have already replaced the machine it gives me joy to have repaired the old one.

Thanks for all of the help AJ!
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: AJ on January 06, 2008, 08:30:40 PM
Absolutely awesome videos!  O0

Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on January 06, 2008, 08:36:05 PM
Thanks!
After you said that you never repair them, just replace I must admit that I had my doubts. However, from a professional's stand point I can see how it would be time consuming, and giving a warranty on just one part inside of the gearcase would be difficult.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on January 18, 2008, 06:19:53 PM
After a week or so of working fine, I have the same problem :ahhh: I'm going to change the capacitor this weekend and see if that helps.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: JWWebster on January 19, 2008, 08:05:27 PM
I have come across bad trannys that have the worm gear pin sheared off and this allows for agitate while spinning. I could fix it but the average repair guy would need to change out the transmission.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on January 19, 2008, 09:19:07 PM
I'm not scared to tear into it. As I said in another post I have already replaced this machine, it's just a matter of pride now. I don't understand how it went from working to having the same problem? It's a puzzler???
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: JWWebster on January 20, 2008, 09:48:03 AM
Here is a tip: Next time you install a neutral pak into a tranny
use the original plates. Do not use the plates that are furnished with the kit or their will be a failure.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on January 20, 2008, 02:54:36 PM
Wouldn't you know it, I discarded the plate........ :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: maypo52 on January 21, 2008, 09:57:25 AM
JWWebster - Just out of curiosity, why would the new plates cause a failure?

Here is a tip: Next time you install a neutral pak into a tranny
use the original plates. Do not use the plates that are furnished with the kit or their will be a failure.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: JWWebster on January 21, 2008, 11:00:12 AM
I wondered that myself and was told by the rebuild man that the
plates are for different manufactured runs on these trannys and what is not provided is which tranny fits which plate. So use the original and that problem goes away.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: tidebatt1 on March 27, 2008, 08:15:58 PM
Update.....
I decided to use the old machine the other day to wash some shop rags etc. Just for giggles before doing so I replaced the start capacitor (picked it up at a local store for about $4) Even though my old capacitor tested good for the cost, I couldn't turn it down. My machine purred like a kitten when it came time. I tested the capacitor several times just to make sure, but it tests good, just like the new one. So after the first load I put the old one back in, and my problem showed up again. Stopped it, removed original capacitor, replaced with new one, advanced the timer around to where it was and...it worked like a charm. Am I to think that it was my problem the whole time? Not to say that I didn't enjoy learning about the machine, and it's inner workings, I just don't see how it could test good yet be bad? :thinking:
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: JWWebster on March 27, 2008, 11:57:15 PM
With our weather anythang is possible. That start capacitor allows all the windings to be energized for the first 5 seconds. That is all it does. these can get open. They can leak out. They can swell. A permanent split capacitor is one that allows for a split in the windings AFTER the motor gets going. It does this by separating inwardly. I have not seen too many of these fail however. Puzzling
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: Repair-man on March 28, 2008, 07:30:34 AM
That start capacitor allows all the windings to be energized for the first 5 seconds.  A permanent split capacitor is one that allows for a split in the windings AFTER the motor gets going. It does this by separating inwardly. I have not seen too many of these fail however. Puzzling

The term "permanent Split Capacitor' refers only to the motor type. Permanent split capacitor (PSC) motors do not have a starting switch or a capacitor strictly for starting. Instead, permanent split capacitor motors have a run-type capacitor that is permanently connected in series with the start winding. This makes the start winding an auxiliary winding after the motor reaches running speed. These are used mainly in compressors. The washer uses a split-phase motor.

The capacitor does not separate inwardly. It has no moving parts, only electrode plates with paper wrapping and a dielectric paste for conductivity.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: apptech on March 28, 2008, 07:59:22 AM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: JWWebster on March 28, 2008, 10:01:17 AM
So this whirlpool motor is a split phase and the capacitor's function is to do just what exactly? does it boost power to kick start the motor or does it stay hot all the time. I heard the foil within splits but I have had the motor switch off these machines and it does indeed have a centrifugal switch which drops the start winding out. So obviously this would be considered a run capacitor or a start capacitor? which is it? My alcohol infused old brain must be slipping.
Title: electricity 101
Post by: Repair-man on March 28, 2008, 01:28:13 PM
A centrifugal switch is used in conjunction with split phase and other types of single phase induction motors. Centrifugal cutout switches will open or disconnect the starting winding when the rotor has reached a pre-determined speed, and reconnect it when the motor speed falls below it. Without such a device, the starting winding would be susceptible to rapid overheating and subsequent burnout.

The capacitor in this case is a start cap, used to boost the motor up to run speed, and is not in the circuit once the centrifugal switch comes up to speed and clicks over to run. What causes these caps to blow is excessive strain on the motor, either by overloading or from other components that are binding. The caps get quite warm to the touch.
Title: Re: Whirlpool Washer agitates and spins when it wants to!
Post by: JWWebster on March 28, 2008, 02:21:52 PM
Thanks for clearing that up