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Title: How to get started
Post by: gilly on April 10, 2015, 10:07:16 PM
My question is how to become a appliance tech. I'm 59 been in maintenance for 20 years and lost a good paying job 1 1/2 years ago got another  in the same field within weeks of that job loss . The pays just not en ought I  have been buying , repairing and selling washers , dryers , and stoves and have grown to really like it I guess what I'm  asking is what advice can you give  me  thank you
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: AJ on April 11, 2015, 08:17:21 AM
Hi gilly

Sounds like your off to a great start already. How long have you been buying, repairing and selling appliances?
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: gilly on April 12, 2015, 02:49:58 AM
I started in April of 2014 I found a free dryer on craigslist brought it home cleaned it up picked up a can of rustole um appliance paint touched up the rough spots the lady said it had a no heat issue i went on line found this site and others all the info i got pointed to a thermal fuse replaced it and got her going put it back on cl sold it the next day for $125 I've been hooked ever since . I have stayed with fixing the whirlpool line of appliances but no pcb board stuff yet just older manual timer units. Im weak in diagnostics and schematic reading any suggestions on how to step up my game? its only a side job now but i would like to make it my main job . thanks for any replie
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: dab147315 on April 12, 2015, 08:12:09 AM
This is a good manual to start with.https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-i5KqMA2RZwZHpkdEppaHo5aHc/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-i5KqMA2RZwZHpkdEppaHo5aHc/view?usp=sharing)
Also http://www.amazon.com/Troubleshooting-Repairing-Major-Appliances-Kleinert/dp/0071770186 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0071770186/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0071770186&linkCode=as2&tag=applcomhowtov-20&linkId=TN6MDB5DPQO3GEFH)
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: AJ on April 12, 2015, 08:27:48 AM
Don't forget to check out our google drive.
Our google drive includes thousands of service manuals, tech sheet and more.

http://appliancejunk.com/googledrive

Also feel free to ask questions here in our forum. We have techs from all over the country with many years of experiance on all different brands of appliances.
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: mz3own on April 12, 2015, 08:45:22 AM
there is also a wealth of info online
https://karisimby.wordpress.com/2009/08/09/basic-appliance-theory/
http://www.electronicstheory.com/
http://applianceassistant.com/Electricity-And-Testing/How-To-Read-Wire-Diagrams.php#symbols
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: dab147315 on April 12, 2015, 08:56:47 AM
Also in google drive. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-i5KqMA2RZwc2oyT291QTZrWDQ/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: gilly on April 12, 2015, 04:02:29 PM
Lots of info to absorb THx any one know a good video on diagnostic testing also thanks so much for all the great on line help you guys offer
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: Maintech on April 12, 2015, 06:03:09 PM
This is a good manual to start with.https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-i5KqMA2RZwZHpkdEppaHo5aHc/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-i5KqMA2RZwZHpkdEppaHo5aHc/view?usp=sharing)
Also http://www.amazon.com/Troubleshooting-Repairing-Major-Appliances-Kleinert/dp/0071770186 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0071770186/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0071770186&linkCode=as2&tag=applcomhowtov-20&linkId=TN6MDB5DPQO3GEFH)
Can you recommend anything like Kleinert's book specifically about refridgerators
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: Eddy on April 27, 2015, 06:06:36 AM
Hello fellow members,
This is my first post,I was surfing the web yesterday and found this site via google.
Looks like a gold strike for me!

Ps....lucky I have spell check :cheers:
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: gilly on April 28, 2015, 08:15:51 PM
 welcome I'm new also I to was born in the 50's 1955 IM fixing and selling appliances as a part time gig this is a great site lots of info and real world stuff good luck on your new venture
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: Eddy on April 28, 2015, 10:06:37 PM
Thanks Gilly,
been surfing CL today(gold country,ca.)looking at the competition found one group showing many display ad's wonder how they can show multiple machines?I thought we can only display 1 advertisement at a time?

Anyway they offer ranges starting at $179.00 and a 40.00 down payment the rest of the cash is a loan company(dealers.crestfinancial.com)
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: gilly on April 29, 2015, 05:38:56 AM
i m in Michigan and we can have multiple ads
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: Eddy on April 29, 2015, 09:01:18 AM
Are the ad's placed by dealer?or owner?
also do get a fee to deliver machine and remove old machine?
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: gilly on April 29, 2015, 01:45:21 PM
Im just a guy in a 2 stall garage so owners what i do i offer free delivery with trade in of there non working machine the thing keeps feeding itself  that way
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: andersenappliance on May 01, 2015, 12:28:46 AM
Hi all,

Craig's list has no substantial limit on ads, but if they are worded the same in different categories, they will possibly deny you.  Their ability to differentiate is through some pretty basic scripting.

Owner/Dealer is not particularly policed, either.  If you are selling as an owner, and you answer the phone as Gilly's/Eddy's Appliance, the customer will think you are a scammer.  Hello does it.  I don't think that there is a charge for dealer ads, so it kind of depends upon your schtick.

I became an appliance tech by becoming an appliance tech.  Literally.  I had a great example from my dad, he fixed everything, and never paid anyone else to do it, so I knew it could be done.  I had three other service businesses, so I knew I could get people to pay me (housecleaning, hauling, and handyman).  I moved to a location that I thought would have lots of handymen, so I decided to specialize myself by being an appliance guy.  And I did just that.

There were times that I did not even know how to open up the darn machine.  But instead of looking stupid (I hope) I would take the model number, and say I was heading back to the "shop" to "pull a manual."  Basically, I was going home to look on google, youtube, appliancejunk, and others.  Then I would go back, figure out what was wrong, and fix it.

Sometimes it cost a lot in time, sometimes a lot in parts, but I really made fixing it the priority, and money the secondary.  If I messed up, I kept at it until I figured it out, being that a successful fix was the goal, not the money.  After all, I wanted to earn money by FIXING appliances, not by charging for telling them to buy new.

I learned a crap-load.  I also, to my knowledge, do not have a single customer that is pissed off at me.

Five years later, I am happy, confident, successful in my business, and, to be honest, looking for the next challenge.

My best advice for the beginners is to understand what the machine wants to do, what it needs to do it, if everything is right, then you can find out why it is not doing what it wants to do. 

So, to get heat, a gas dryer needs electricity running through outlets, power cords, timers, start switches, thermostats, thermal fuses, ignitors, gas valves, possibly a motor switch, etc.  So you follow the electricity.  Outlet - check.  Cord plugged in -check.  Timer engaged check.  Door switch - check. and so on.  Pretty soon you know that you go first to the thermal fuse, because that is most common.  Or, if there is any heat at all, most of the electrics are ok, so look at coils, air flow, or cycling thermostat.  Sometimes the knob is just broke.

You really don't need to know the brand in order to begin, but you do need to know the theory of operation, and that will tell you almost everything except the computer stuff.  I mean, even a solar clothes dryer needs a heat source, air circulation, and exposure for the clothes to transfer the moisture from the cloth to the air and take it away.  A solar dryer uses the sun as a heat source, natural air currents to provide circulation and pull moisture away, and it spreads out the cloth, both vertically and horizontally,  to provide maximum surface exposure.  (A solar dryer is a backyard clothesline.)  A gas dryer uses gas to provide the  heat, a motor to turn the drum and tumble the clothes, providing maximum surface exposure, and a blower wheel to circulate the air and pull the moisture away.  Plus some safety devices to keep the gas and electric contained: timer so it doesn't keep going forever, thermostat to regulate the temperature, valves and burner to direct and contain the flame, thermal fuses to turn it off if it gets too hot, etc. 

They both essentially dry the clothes the same way, but to speed up the process, add convenience (drying in the rain or at night) and keep the whole process under control and safe, it gets a bit more complicated.  But it is still understandable, predictable, diagnosible, and repairable.

I could give you the same theory analogy between a squaw beating buckskins against a rock down by the river, and a Samsung frontload washer (or even a Bosch dishwasher for that matter - a squaw beating fine crystal against a rock to get rid of water spots...).  Or a neanderthal toasting bits of rodent meat over a fire compared to a Viking dual fuel range.

Heck, I could  even draw you the appropriate comparisons between a backyard clothesline and a Sub-Zero built in Reefer.   It'd just take a bit longer, and I'd have to explain more things to get you there.  The refrigeration experts on this board would know exactly what I'm talking about and could probably do it better than I could.  For example, both your freezer and your clothesline have an "evaporator."  They both actually have a condenser, too, but we don't care about that for the clothesline, 'cause its an open system (just sayin').

So it all will make sense if you understand what the machine wants to do, how it goes about doing it, and what the operational, safety, or vulnerable points are.  If you get that down, you can start to fix most anything.  I have done a wild variety of non-appliance stuff just from that type of understanding, a bit of internet search, and the experience I've gained so far.

If I can do it, anybody can.
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: gilly on May 01, 2015, 05:16:31 AM
You should teach this stuff at the local collage i would sign up. I work on a lot of old stuff lot of hands on its been about a year for me at this fixing selling and picking up stuff to fix . I'm looking at taking a electrical theory course this fall thanks for your history and how you got there it is encouraging because i can see me doing the same thing
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: Eddy on May 01, 2015, 10:11:04 AM
Andersen....you Rock!

thanks,
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: andersenappliance on May 01, 2015, 10:31:38 AM
Where are the Blushing Smileys?

The folks on this board are the ones who really rock...as well as our most gracious host!

I wouldn't have learned any where near as much and as fast without them!

Thanks to AJ, and thanks to all the experienced techs on this board!
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: UncleRodge on May 02, 2015, 12:31:31 PM
Buying and Selling Appliances is a great business!  I have been doing it for 18+ years.  Check out my blog I just started.  My goal is to pass on what I have learned throughout the years and give back. 

My plan is to write one post per day, since there is so much information and I want to continue to provide as much as possible as quickly as possible.  There is a lot of information available in a lot of different places on the internet.  This is my personal experience and what has worked for me.  I am always looking to do it better.

It takes a lot of time to write these posts as you can imagine.  Since I am now semiretired (kids are taking over the business) I now have the time to do it.  I have gained a lot of information from this forum and others and continue to do so. 

Check out the link in my signature and sign up to receive new posts via email.   :thanks:
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: dab147315 on May 02, 2015, 12:37:09 PM
So whats the deal here, are you and Eddy the same person? ??? You kind of look the same? ??? Meaning whats up UncleRodge???
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: Eddy on May 02, 2015, 01:06:54 PM
who is uncle rodge?
I look like bruce because it was a pick an avatar from the menu...I wish I had his money and still had brown hair too! :-\
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: UncleRodge on May 02, 2015, 01:10:48 PM
So whats the deal here, are you and Eddy the same person? ??? You kind of look the same? ??? Meaning whats up UncleRodge???

LOL, did not realize it, so I have uploaded my own avatar...  Everything is up, gas, groceries, taxes you name it!  Just hanging in there.  Thanks for the reply, hope you have a great day!
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: dab147315 on May 02, 2015, 01:12:07 PM
Mystery solved.
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: UncleRodge on May 02, 2015, 01:14:33 PM
who is uncle rodge?
I look like bruce because it was a pick an avatar from the menu...I wish I had his money and still had brown hair too! :-\

 :oops: Hey Eddy!  I am Uncle Rodge!  I uploaded my own avatar after seeing you had the same one.  I too wish I had his money and brown hair too!  Just lucky to still have all my hair, so Thank You Lord!  8)
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: Eddy on May 02, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
 :cheers:I like your new avatar uncle rodge.
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: gilly on May 04, 2015, 09:57:08 AM
Hay uncle rodge nice web site  im just starting so i can use all the free info i can get
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: UncleRodge on May 04, 2015, 10:15:04 AM
Hay uncle rodge nice web site  im just starting so i can use all the free info i can get
:thanks:
Glad you like it, a lot of work :2funny: and many years of trying to figure out the best way to go about it.  Not my first website, but it has been a challenge.  Hoping the way I have formatted it is to everyone's liking.

Hopefully, you Subscribed to get new posts.  Got a ton more information to provide, now just trying to figure out what to post first.  Anything you would like to see, let me know.

Rodge @ Flipping Appliances on a Shoestring Budget (http://flippingappliances.com/)
Title: Re: How to get started
Post by: Eddy on May 04, 2015, 02:35:36 PM
Hay uncle rodge nice web site  im just starting so i can use all the free info i can get
:thanks:
Glad you like it, a lot of work :2funny: and many years of trying to figure out the best way to go about it.  Not my first website, but it has been a challenge.  Hoping the way I have formatted it is to everyone's liking.

Hopefully, you Subscribed to get new posts.  Got a ton more information to provide, now just trying to figure out what to post first.  Anything you would like to see, let me know.
508 Resource Limit is Reached
but I did subscribe to your blog.

Rodge @ Flipping Appliances on a Shoestring Budget (http://flippingappliances.com/)