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Title: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 10, 2013, 03:21:31 PM
My wife is noticing grease marks on laundry, after washing. That means my honey-do list just got longer again.
Any clues. ???
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: lgapplianceservice9 on September 10, 2013, 05:15:13 PM
Sounds like you MAY have a tub leak.  I've seen tubs seals go out and allow water to enter the transmission.  Since oil is less dense than water, oil begins gets pushed to the top, through the failed seal and the end result is grease/oil stains on clothing.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: dab147315 on September 10, 2013, 05:54:35 PM
http://www.appliancepartspros.com/whirlpool-mounting-stem-repair-6-2095720-ap4390013.html (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fwhirlpool-mounting-stem-repair-6-2095720-ap4390013.html)
May want to remove agitator and look for junk growing under it.Tub seal kit probably bad.You can not get transmission oil on clothes from this washer.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: theoldstoveguy on September 10, 2013, 06:01:57 PM
Save it as that machine will still outlast a new one.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Bailey on September 11, 2013, 09:41:06 AM
I say you can get oil on the clothes in this washer. Water in = oil out. Right up the agitator shaft into the tub. Fixable but hard on the upper bearing and shaft. Used to fix these all the time. Almost always changed the upper shaft because the spot where the seal rides would be so damaged that the new seal wouldn't work. Plus water coming up through the bearing is hard on that. The shaft is still available, but the upper case with the bearing is not.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: dab147315 on September 11, 2013, 01:52:55 PM
But is this transmission oil?
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 11, 2013, 06:50:08 PM
Wow, Where to begin troubleshooting.
How do I access these areas? :-\
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Bailey on September 12, 2013, 09:15:58 AM
Any washer with the top of the transmission in the tub can leak oil into it if the seal fails. One problem you didn't have to worry about with the direct drive.To access the transmission,remove the front,tip the top back,remove the agitator,tub cover,inner tub,and outer tub.Then tip the machine  back and from underneath remove the belt and transmission pulley. Then from inside lift the transmission out.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 12, 2013, 02:16:15 PM
Wow again. I guess I'll find a diagram before attempting all that.
Thank you for the quick response
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: krazytech on September 12, 2013, 02:57:45 PM
you can see all the parts diagrams here.

http://www.appliancepartspros.com/parts-for-maytag-a612.html (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fparts-for-maytag-a612.html)
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: AJ on September 12, 2013, 05:40:29 PM
Some topics/photos you may find helpful too.

http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?topic=1225.0 (http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?topic=1225.0)

http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?topic=2000.0 (http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php?topic=2000.0)

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Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 13, 2013, 04:30:09 PM
Repair always starts with the first step.
I removed agitator screw, great.
Agitator decided to agitate me by refusing to lift off.
I am a one-armed DIYer.
Is there a trick to lifting out agitator.
Not giving up. :-\ :-\


What parts do I need to order or do I wait to disassemble.
Also if grease has been leaking, do I need to add some.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: krazytech on September 13, 2013, 04:41:37 PM
Take a thin towel slide it under agitator twist it around once and PULLLLL..

parts you will need

agitator shaft  / Tub bearing kit
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Bailey on September 13, 2013, 06:19:39 PM
When the transmissions were built they were only half full of oil. Now you have a transmission full of water and oil. You will have to remove the top of the transmission and clean out that mess and fill the bottom half with gear oil.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: krazytech on September 13, 2013, 06:37:41 PM
I have only had to do this once..but this may help.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: theoldstoveguy on September 13, 2013, 07:42:46 PM
I still have my Maytag agitator puller.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: krazytech on September 13, 2013, 08:00:20 PM
check out this one!!!
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: AJ on September 13, 2013, 08:22:33 PM
Cool puller, you make it?
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: krazytech on September 13, 2013, 08:46:06 PM
No just found it on the web sometime ago...  I also have a nylon lawn mower starter rope with wood handles on both ends wrap it around the shaft and pull...  looks like a Garrote So I always kept it in the truck until i needed it...  I only once needed a rope and  6 foot  2x4 . it was so bad customer decided to Not repair.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Bailey on September 14, 2013, 10:12:33 AM
We used the Agitamer. If it wouldn't come off with that, it was time to break out the hammer and chisel.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: krazytech on September 14, 2013, 02:13:49 PM
Have never use one you connect to a water line
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: theoldstoveguy on September 14, 2013, 02:33:10 PM
I use that on Speed Queen washers and it works great but according to parts house NLA?
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 16, 2013, 11:13:27 AM
I have been reading and re-reading all the posts and links familiarizing myself with what needs to get done, as well as, preparing to order parts.
One glitch surfaced. The spanner tool for removing the critical nut beginning the serious part of the repair is not available.
What to do?
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: dab147315 on September 16, 2013, 01:55:53 PM
http://www.appliancepartspros.com/pro-spanner-wrench-tj90tb123a-ap4503397.html (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fpro-spanner-wrench-tj90tb123a-ap4503397.html)
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 16, 2013, 02:30:19 PM
Agitator is out, all in one piece. The rope, 2x4 & 4 inches of water did the trick after a few adjustments.
Let the fun begin.


The spanner [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.729412)][size=78%]AP4503397 [/size][/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.729412)][/size]per the web site is not compatible with model A612.[size=78%][/color]
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[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.729412)][/size]There is much scale at the bottom of the washing tub. Going to get rid of what I can. Then work on getting the nut off, probably with a dremel cutoff wheel.[size=78%][/color] :embarassed:
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 16, 2013, 02:52:53 PM
Cleaned up reply

Agitator is out, all in one piece. The rope, 2x4 & 4 inches of water did the trick after a few adjustments.Let the fun begin.The spanner mentioned,per the web site is not compatible with model A612.

Is it perhaps compatible with the replacement nut?
There is much scale at the bottom of the washing tub. Going to get rid of what I can. Then work on getting the nut off, probably with a dremel cutoff wheel.

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Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: dab147315 on September 16, 2013, 03:26:07 PM
http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Spanner-Wrench/22038313/1590
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 16, 2013, 03:31:11 PM
Thank you for the alternate spanner wrench Dab
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: dab147315 on September 16, 2013, 03:48:06 PM
They both would work but the last one is made only for may tag but the first one you can use for whirlpool washer and the may tag washer and G.E you got hence the two part spanner.The last post is the one i use.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 16, 2013, 03:49:09 PM
Is there a part number for the upper shaft?
Should I be replacing belts, they are the originals?
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: dab147315 on September 16, 2013, 03:53:07 PM
http://www.appliancepartspros.com/whirlpool-mounting-stem-repair-6-2095720-ap4390013.html (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fwhirlpool-mounting-stem-repair-6-2095720-ap4390013.html)
Are you talking about the stem kit?
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: dab147315 on September 16, 2013, 03:56:20 PM
Are you just replacing stem kit?
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 16, 2013, 04:48:58 PM
This was mentioned by Bailey in reply #4
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Bailey on September 16, 2013, 05:49:42 PM
The upper shaft is part #22002124. I would look at the shaft after you get the tubs off. If it is pitted where the shaft goes through the stem seal then replace it. You will need a new gasket when you separate the transmission. And if it was manufactured before June 1986 there is an O ring in the lower half that seals around the lower shaft. Post your serial number.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 17, 2013, 08:01:43 AM
The serial number info of this unit is Model A612 series 02 S/N 028194.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: theoldstoveguy on September 17, 2013, 09:21:46 AM
Need the last 2 letters on the serial number to know when it was made.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 19, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
RC are the two letters.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 19, 2013, 12:34:37 PM
parts and spanner due Sat
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: theoldstoveguy on September 19, 2013, 01:50:02 PM
Feb 1986
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: AJ on September 19, 2013, 04:54:48 PM
Feb 1986

That was a good year. ;)
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: theoldstoveguy on September 19, 2013, 06:54:04 PM
Yes it was! The year my oldest was born, still sold Maytags and customers were a plenty and pay was good.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Jim Doris on September 20, 2013, 11:57:40 AM
So far:
Agitator out with rope trick
Inner tub clamping nut cut off
Clamping nut washer removed
Removed Agitator drive shaft seal retaining ring
Not sure how to remove next washer
Front of unit removed
Preparing to remove tub cover clamp by using penetrating oil

Took pictures of current inner tub status as well as a view of under the outer tub, which appears good to me.

Questions :
1 Does Agitator drive shaft washer and seal lift off with tub?
2 Any tips on stubborn top cover clamp screw?
3 After removing cover, how to proceed?

Never did this before but not afraid to pursue, so need to ask basic questions.  :D
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Jim Doris on September 20, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
Jim Doris aka hookcapn
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Jim Doris on September 20, 2013, 12:05:31 PM
Should I replace the belts after 27 years while I am in so deep.
Bailey,  do I need to remove transmission to suck out and add grease
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 20, 2013, 12:31:55 PM
Tub cover off


How to proceed from here, any suggestions?
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Bailey on September 20, 2013, 07:02:39 PM
Now the washtub should lift off.Then remove the tub seal. It unscrews with reverse threads. There is a set screw that you need to remove first.Then remove the lower part of the seal. It looks like a bellow. It will come off with a good pull. Then remove the air dome which is on the outside of the tub at the right rear corner. Then the tub to pump hose and finally the three bolts holding the tub to the three legs.Do all that and then get ready for more instructions.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: theoldstoveguy on September 20, 2013, 07:12:08 PM
Remove inner tub,remove set screw holding stem kit in place. remove stem kit remember left hand thread.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on September 21, 2013, 08:18:36 AM
What is the current repair progress?  There is more that can be done to remove the agitator even if you have broken it the splined elastometic piece can stay put on the transmission agitator shaft.   The transmission may also be contaminated with water.  If it is you will need to remove it drain and clean it and re-service.  There is an o-ring that is on the drive shaft side that should also be changed.  Changing that Oring is not for the first timer as it is very difficult to remove and replace.  You have to remove small the nylon drive gear after first removing a short vertical locking pin that locks the retaining screw head in place.  Then there are 2 washers one of them copper colored that nieed to also be lifted off to gain access to the Oring.  I flatten a piece of 1/8 in round brass rod and use that to push down on the oring from to to dislodge it. 
reinstalling the oring youhave to place the drive shaft back in the bottom of the transmission until it is flush with the bottom of the oring retaining area then push it into place with a DULL object.  The reason you changed the oring is it gets hard and also leaks onto the large drive pulley and then eventally ends up on the floor along with greasing the belts to where they too would need changed.
   
I can do step by step if need be but the whole task it pretty involved.  Some of old timers would love to dive into this one and bring it back to life.   As one poster stated... They will last forever if you maintain them.   

All of the above is required because the grease seal at the top of the tub mount started leaking and the oring on the ring of the "agitator" drive shaft wore out or got hard.   There is SPECIAL spanner tool with 4 lock tabs required to remove the stem seal. NOTE you must remove the allen locking set screw FIRST before attempting to remove the tub mount above the TUB seal. 
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 21, 2013, 08:39:35 AM
Parts that were due today, now delayed until Monday. :(
Usually parts arrive quicker than expected.


Awaiting Spanner wrench #1590 (http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Spanner-Wrench/22038313/1590) & tub seal #1478842 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fwhirlpool-mounting-stem-repair-6-2095720-ap4390013.html)




Should I be ordering other parts?


Inner tub is out.
Can't go much further on stem without spanner.
Will remove outer tub hoses an loosen three bolts in the meantime.


Thanks for input so far. Don't leave me now.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on September 21, 2013, 02:40:38 PM
Take a good look at the outer tub to drain hose and the hose from the water inlet valve to the tub cover.  Older hoses crack (lower hose) and the inlet hose tears where is mates to the tub cover hole.  Also inside the injector... that is an air gap between the inlet water hose and the inlet hose there is a rubber piece that has a plastic round tapered / triangular insert inside/ The rubber hose piece get hard.  Most of the time I order / purchase the injector kit and tub to pump hose.  Sometimes when you open the transmission you will note the nylon drive gear is worn.  You will not know if you need this gear until you get the top of the transmission removed.  To remove the transmission once the outer tub is removed you must remove the large drive pulley.  First remove the rubber cap covering the center of the pulley.  NOTE and pay attention to this step. BEFORE you remove the philipps screw holding the splined locking pawl / pulley retaining tab..... Rotate the large pulley by hand one way will turn freely rotating the agitator shaft. Reversing pulley rotation the other way it will be hard to turn and you with some effort see the tranmission spin.  You will see a noticeable gap between the pawl tab and the pulley tab with the pulley rotated in the direction that would cause the tub to spin.  When you eventually reinstall the transmission and pulley YOU MUST ensure you have that same gap.  Otherwise it may not spin at all or... the tub brake will not work causing the tub to coast to a stop vs being normally braked to a stop.  The drive pulley locking / retaining pawl is removed by gently working your way around it with a flat blade screwdriver and lifting it off.  At this pont rotate the pulley and it will spin off.  Transmission will now lift out of the brake assembly.  Once reoved check the radial bearing in the top of the brake assy for corrosion and wear.  If the 
bearing is bad... you will have to remove the brake to change the "radial Bearing"  Another special / one time use tool required to remove the brake assy.  There is also an allen set locking screw holding the brake assy. thread in place.  If your washer was noisy (roar or rumble) during the spin cycle or has leaked water underneath the machine for a long time this bearing has to be changed. 
 
Each machine has differnent repair needs but the above are the most common. One more thing to check is the rollers for the floating motor mount.  With the belt on reach inderneath the unit and at mid point pinch the belt together.  Then release it.  The belt should start to retension.  If it does not the rollers / mount glides will need replaced.  Old rollers were nylon / teflon and round.  New part for mount is a square teflon peice that mounts where old round rollers (4 each) were.   If the rollers are bad I usually change the 2 mount springs also.   
     
I am way ahead of your repair needs here... but these steps apply to all A106 through A806 models.  There was also an elecronic A906 model that is very rare but the same as stated above.   
 
I can not emphasize enough that you check the washer base for grease on the belt side.... If you see grease has been thrown all the way to the outside of the washer base frame that pesky transmission oil o-ring seal on the drive shaft side got hard and is leaking.  Any new oil you add via transmission repair will just slowly leak out. 
 
DO NOT forget to order the transmisson cover gasket.  NOTE... when reinstalling the transmission cover do NOT over tighten the cover cap screws (bolts).  You will severely damage the threads in the tranmission base. Good luck on installing a new insert....!!!
 
If the belts are hard... like very hard... change them. 
 
Let us know if you need more assistance...
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 23, 2013, 03:13:07 PM
Parts and spanner delayed until Tuesday, my wife was not amused.


Status:
So far:Agitator out with rope trick Inner tub clamping nut cut off Clamping nut washer removedRemoved Agitator drive shaft seal retaining ringNot sure how to remove next washerFront of unit removed
new since previous status post
Tub cover removed
Set screw removed
Awaiting spanner
Hoses disconnected. Hoses look good and are pliable.
Outer tub bolts removed
Cleaned removed parts
Hurry up & wait


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Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Wedgeman55 on September 23, 2013, 10:45:19 PM
I have 2 agitamers.    Used to work on the old GE washers,  and it was the best way to get out a stuck agitator.     I also have the old Maytag agitator remover.     It also works good.   Don't use either of them much anymore.     
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 24, 2013, 07:42:25 PM
Good news. Spanner and stem kit arrived.

Bad news. After a good doses of PB Blaster (a penetrating spray) and much hammering clockwise with set screw removed, it appears that the nut turning was more likely the transmission turning. I put a registration mark on the tool and top of the stem. They do not appear to have lost sight of each other.

Any magic spells out there. My wife's patience is wearing thin.
I still have not given up. :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: AJ on September 24, 2013, 07:49:04 PM
Cut the nut off.

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Guess a good hammer and chisel works too, but I like power tools. ;)
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 24, 2013, 08:12:22 PM
To clarify my status:


So far:Agitator out with rope trick
Inner tub clamping nut cut off
Clamping nut washer removed
Removed Agitator drive shaft seal
Retaining ring removed
Not sure how to remove next washer
Front of unit removed
new since previous status post
Tub cover removed
Set screw removed
Hoses disconnected. Hoses look good and are pliable.
Outer tub bolts removed
Cleaned removed parts


Spanner arrived Tuesday PM
The part I am having an issue with is the mounting stem.

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Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 24, 2013, 08:42:26 PM
AJ are you suggesting that I cut off the mounting stem as well?
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: AJ on September 24, 2013, 08:46:44 PM
I have only ever had to cut the nut off.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on September 24, 2013, 09:27:53 PM
I have never had to cut off a mounting stem either.  What you can do if the transmission rotates while your hammering on the mounting sterm is stick a piece of wood between 2 of the 3 tub supports to prevent the transmission from rotating. Someone may have to hold it but usually due to the angle of the tub supports the wood will stay in place.  A short 2 x 4 if my memory serves me correctly works well. 
 
NOTE: The outer tub bolts have to be in place to do this.   
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 24, 2013, 09:56:11 PM
Thanks Kelly, I will give it a shot tomorrow PM.

Stumbled across this excellent video at http://www.partselect.com/PS2347235-Whirlpool-6-2040130-Tub-Bearing-Kit.htm?SourceCode=5&SearchTerm=A612&ModelNum=A612#Instruction23001.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on September 25, 2013, 02:38:10 AM
When I get this deep into re-furbishing a Maytag I also replace the Tub Bearing.  I am pretty sure once you remove the mounting stem you will most likely find that the stainless steel sleeve is no longer free to glide between the tub bearing and the smooth area of the transmisson agitator shaft area.  There are slots in the smooth area.  You can spray that with penetrating oil and wait.... then use a pair of needle nose pliers to GENTLY lift it up and down to try and free it... If it stuck solid to the transmission then you end up splitting the sleeve and replacing it.  The sleeve comes with the tub bearing kit. 
 
NOTE on the tub seal... the face of that seal that looks like a CV joint boot has a HARD carbon ring on it. If you press on the top of the seal the hard carbon ring will break and the tub will for sure leak.  Always grab the tub seal from the side at the base for removal or installation.   
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 25, 2013, 08:38:52 AM
Putting together additional parts list
drive & pump belt 211124 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fsearch.aspx%253Fp%253D211124) & 211124 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fsearch.aspx%253Fp%253D211124) 
tub bearing kit 6-2040130 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fwhirlpool-tub-bearing-kit-6-2040130-ap4372971.html)
transmission lube 6-560800 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fsearch.aspx%253Fmodel%253D6-560800)
Is there a replacement for the agitator drive shaft seal AP407216 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fmaytag-seal-agitator-drive-a04298-ap407216.html)

This last part would seem to be critical to the diagnosis.

Are there other parts re: the transmission to be ordered at this time.


I am approaching a 2 week hiatus 10/2 Wed
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on September 25, 2013, 02:18:35 PM
If your talking about the agitator seal that looks like a flat o-ring with 4 grooves in it... the newer models do not even have one.  The O-ring was used on the older models to help retain the agitator in place.  Now there is a screw in the side of the agitator that uses the seal groove as a catch point to retain the agitator in place.   The agitator when installed will move slightly up and down with screw in place.  That is normal and the o-ring is not used at all. 
 
The only thing I can think of at this time is Item 43 on this link:
 
http://www.appliancepartspros.com/10-tub-agitator-parts-for-maytag-a612.html (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252F10-tub-agitator-parts-for-maytag-a612.html)
 
That is the aerator for the injector. As the rubber of this part gets older they seem to shrink in length or get hard causing the injector to leak on the base.   It is important to make sure it is installed correctly. You have to finesse the hose so that this part centers in the plastic housing.   You do not need to change it now... only if it drips or leaks during tub fill.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 25, 2013, 03:56:08 PM
The agitator drive shaft seal part # A4298 or AP407216 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fmaytag-seal-agitator-drive-a04298-ap407216.html) is a rubber seal with a spring inside just under  the metal washer (15666)which is held in by a retaining ring (15667) . The part A4298 is not available at Appliance Parts Pro but is available at Part Select.

Should I order and transmission parts now.

I am on my way to remove outer tub.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 25, 2013, 07:00:20 PM
Mounting stem is fast becoming an agitator.
Not giving up.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on September 25, 2013, 07:46:51 PM
That is what we call the grease seal. It usually comes with the mounting stem kit. That is most likely why many sources do not list it separately.  This is a must have item.  If you do not have it you need to get one. Remember.... CLOCKWISE = loose on the *(left hand thread) on the mounting stem. You can usually move it both ways with the spanner and hammer to losen it.  I learned to use the side of the hammer for this task vs the head.... AND the 2 x 4 in between the outer tub supports with the tub mounting bolts in place.   
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on September 25, 2013, 07:55:35 PM
You may not need any transmission parts other than the gasket.  Worst case.... Ford Blue form a gasket will do the trick.  I would prefer to use the factory parts though.  All of the details I mentioned before were for the old A606 style machine.  It has a flat top transmission with a counter weight.  You have the new style transmission so thee only thing you need to do is ensure that it is not full of water.... clean and reservice it.  You can use engine degreaser and a hose to clean it... OUTSIDE.  However.... you must use compressed air to remove ANY water you have in the transmission.  It must be dry before you re-service it with Transmission oil. 
 
I can not emphasize enough the importance of the CORRECT drive tab placement at the botom of drive pulley when it comes time to reinstall it. 
 
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 26, 2013, 10:35:57 AM
Thanks Kelly, the mounting stem is really problematic.
Set screw out
spanner in place
hit with 2 1/2 lb sledge
Transmission blocked
Hit clockwise then counter-clockwise and repeated
My teeth are looser then the stem
Used PB blaster several times down the stem.
I am a pretty strong guy, but stem seems stronger.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 26, 2013, 10:51:40 AM
My A612 unit has the flat top transmission with the counter -weight.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on September 26, 2013, 01:42:56 PM
This is going to sound a bit odd but... try using some brake fluid instead of PB blaster to loosen up the thread grip. 
 
As much as I hate to even discuss an attempt at cutting the mounting stem off....
IF you get to that point use a chisel... start cutting from the outside to the inside Bottom to top on one side.  The base of the mounting stem has very hard smooth faced ring on it.  I would assume that ring would probably damage a chisel in the process.  If you start cutting from the top down you most likely will not be able to use the spanner.  You really run the risk of damaging the top of transmission threads and tub bearing glide surface by using a chisel.  Both AJ and myself have never had to cut one off.  A powered cutting wheel on a mini grinder would be a better way to cut this off.  Just remember the risk of severely damaging the transmission. 
 
 
 
Before you get to the last resort of using a chisel.... or powered cutting tool.  Spray into the set screw hole and wait an hour or so for the penetrating oil to work.  I would spray into set screw the hole at least 2 times and re-attempt normal removal before reluctantly starting to cut the mounting stem off.  I shudder at the thought of ever having to cut off a mounting stem.  It will not be easy due to very hard ring on the bottom of the mounting stem.       
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 26, 2013, 01:55:15 PM
Had some brake fluid and applied it to the stem.
Also sprayed PB into set screw hole.
Now to enjoy the best part, waiting and resting in between.


Thank you for the noble response.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 26, 2013, 04:55:44 PM
Alas I am in the process of cutting off the mounting stem. Taking it slow and steady. Or bit by bit.


If it doesn't come off, I won't be able to fix the unit. Nothing to lose at this point.


My wife is looking at new machines over my protests.


Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: theoldstoveguy on September 26, 2013, 07:21:21 PM
I have drilled a few out. If you chisel the edge all around after drilling a few holes, the base will come loose. Then I start on the top edge and try to drill up the side and split it. Looking at the new stem kit you can see how deep it is and such. Also remove the center seal and can see down from the top if you haven't done so.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on September 27, 2013, 08:57:35 AM
I hope that the delay in posting means you succeeded in getting the mounting stem off and on with needed repairs.   If not.... you already have the new mounting stem... assy... I might even be tempted to use a medium sized pipe wrench on this rascal to try and free it from the transmission threads.   
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 27, 2013, 09:00:19 AM
Just getting ready to attack it again.I have aabout 40% off
Will try all of the above
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on September 27, 2013, 07:53:01 PM
Good news. The mounting stem is removed.
I think I see what the difficulty was, missing threads or is that the design.


Bad news. I believe that I was not as delicate as I should have been and mangled the shaft.


pictures attached


Before going any further, do I have a bucket of parts or a way out?


I replaced the injector parts 2 years ago.









Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on September 27, 2013, 09:20:19 PM
At this point seeing all the severe damage... I personally would go to a local appliance repair shop and see if they had an Old Maytag transmission lying around and replace the upper half of the transmission.  I always had 3 or more sitting complete un-rebuilt units around when working in the shop.  It is best to look in the yellow pages and find some fella close by that sells USED washing machines.  (check classifide ads,  penny saver and the local dump recycling centers also) He may even sell you the whole transmission.  Even if he has the new style that looks like a differential you can use that one also.  I would not return the one your working on to service without replacing the agitator shaft and upper transmission cover.
 
Transmission PN your looking for is PN 2-3438  I hate using another competitors link but here:
http://www.appliancepartspros.com/09-transmission-parts-for-maytag-a612.html (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252F09-transmission-parts-for-maytag-a612.html) 
 
Any brand new transmission is the orbital type unless you can find a source with New Old Stock NOS.    New transmission type is PN   W10172457 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fwhirlpool-transmison-w10172457-ap4319068.html)
 
Additionally... seeing this much water damage the radial bearing in the brake assy in the base of the unit is also probably no good.  The brake has a set screw on the upper side of the base that must be removed before turning the brake with a strap wrench even though their is another special tool spanner that your supposed to use in the shape of a C with 2 plates that fit top and bottom of the brake housing grasping 2 of the brake screws to turn it.   
 
Radial Bearing is PN 200835 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=omv7WULuxaw&subid=0&offerid=225193.1&type=10&tmpid=2111&RD_PARM1=http&RD_PARM2=%253A%252F%252Fwww.appliancepartspros&RD_PARM3=.com%252Fwhirlpool-bearing-b-200835-ap4023409.html)
 
Looks like your in a worst case scenario here... Personally if the base and tub(s) are in good shape I would try to find the parts to fix this unit as it will give you another 20 years of service with lite to med, usage. 
 
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on September 27, 2013, 10:13:27 PM
Check eBay for stuff like this:
W10172457
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maytag-Factory-DEE-Transmission-6-2097750-22002373-22002126-TESTED-60-Day-GTY-/151089227018?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232d9ea50a#ht_1284wt_721 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maytag-Factory-DEE-Transmission-6-2097750-22002373-22002126-TESTED-60-Day-GTY-/151089227018?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232d9ea50a#ht_1284wt_721)
 
Just make sure the distance from top of agitator shaft to the drive shave end is exactly the same as yours. 
 
Check out this search also:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maytag-Factory-DEE-Transmission-6-2097750-22002373-22002126-TESTED-60-Day-GTY-/151089227018?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232d9ea50a#ht_1284wt_721 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maytag-Factory-DEE-Transmission-6-2097750-22002373-22002126-TESTED-60-Day-GTY-/151089227018?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232d9ea50a#ht_1284wt_721) 
 
For a lower budget repair....
 
 
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Bailey on September 28, 2013, 09:43:59 AM
If you switch to the orbital transmission, also get the agitator that comes with it. The transmission that you have puts out a bigger slower arc so the agitator base is larger. The orbital agitates with a quicker shorter arc  and uses an agitator with a smaller base.
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on September 28, 2013, 03:41:44 PM
Thanks Bailey your absolutely correct the agitator must also be switched. 
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Kel1guy on October 06, 2013, 03:31:48 PM
Curiosity has be pondering the final outcome...??? Repair or... New Washer?
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: hookcapn on October 21, 2013, 08:58:50 AM
OK so I am back from vacation visiting several closed National Parks. An omen?
Had an opportunity to reflect on the washer with my domestic advisor. WE decided to go for a new washer.
I am disappointed to have gone so for and not return the washer to a productive life. Preparing purchased parts for return.
Any body need other old parts?


Thank you to all who participated in my saga.


Any suggestions on a large capacity top loader with minimum bells and whistles?


 :thanks:





Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: theoldstoveguy on October 21, 2013, 11:57:21 AM
Speed Queen
Title: Re: Maytag Washer A612 noticing grease marks on clothes
Post by: Rvdave on December 05, 2013, 01:20:12 PM
OK so I am back from vacation visiting several closed National Parks. An omen?
Had an opportunity to reflect on the washer with my domestic advisor. WE decided to go for a new washer.
I am disappointed to have gone so for and not return the washer to a productive life. Preparing purchased parts for return.
Any body need other old parts?


What parts do you currently have?

Dave
Rv610dave@gmail.com


Any suggestions on a large capacity top loader with minimum bells and whistles?


 :thanks: